The Big Bang didn't happen

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    ??? Are you interested in discussing what science is and how science works to exclude falsity?

    Or, are you interested in discussing the MSM?

    Please make up your mind.
     
  2. UntilNextTime

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    I am interested in both, so I can assess both and formulate my own diagnosis. I do like to think for myself and not be crammed with whatever.
     
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    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    You can put your hypothesis on the table then I put mine down, and we can examine both hey?
     
  4. Mushroom

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    Schrödinger's Universe?
     
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    Interesting that you should say that. He considered that the universe contains only one mind. So if that's the case, what is with our minds? We are but fragments of that one mind.
     
  6. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    You think of yourself as a fragment? I consider you a whole universe within yourself.
     
  8. UntilNextTime

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    Indeed. When you look at the structure of the universe and what makes it, is very similar to how the body is made.
     
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    That was philosophical, not material. He also stated that consciousness can not be described in physical terms.

    Do not confuse philosophy with hard factual science.
     
  10. UntilNextTime

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    The one thing science has difficulty understanding, is spirituality.
     
  11. Mushroom

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    Because that is not physical but belief.

    This is a science area. If you want to talk philosophy and spirituality and things like that, you should take it to the right area.
     
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    What part? A belief, is it? :roflol: For some, maybe, for others not so.
    Yeah, well, you queried it. So let's get all sciency on the spiritual aspects of the universe then. Can't hurt, only if you're ignorant.
     
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    Nice, get insulting and you do not even know what my beliefs are.

    I am actually very spiritual and religious. However, I keep a large separation between that and science.

    And as can be seen in all the junk science posts you throw up, you are unable to do that and just vomit up anything that catches your interest.
     
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    How so for insulting? The sentiment was not aimed at being insulting. I'd have thrown some other colourful words into the mix if I was going to be insulting. :)
    So it seems science does find it difficult. The only religions I find that are spiritual are the eastern religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto etc.
    That's not very nice. Why? because maybe
    you lack the ability to understand, appreciate or your curiosity about something outside of your box?
    What junk science have I thrown up? Something you can't or don't want to comprehend?
     
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    Not sure if this advances the debate:
     
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    That's a clear demonstration of how accepted theory is ALWAYS questioned and open to revision as more is learned.

    It's a great example of the power of science.
     
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    It is almost like galaxies just pop out of nothing.
     
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    without us being able to perceive other dimensions, it could seem that way
     
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    If The Big Bang did not happen,
    what of those that heard it?


    Moi
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  20. WillReadmore

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    Well, the theory is that the matter/energy that emerged from the singularity aggregated to form what we've seen so far. Astronomers see gravity aggregating gas, etc., to form stars. Stars may then might be attracted, forming galaxies.

    The "big bang" refers to the extreme expansion of the universe that lasted for a fraction of a second following the singularity. There are multiple ways to measure the expansion of the universe that is going on right now, but the rate of our current expansion is miniscule compared to what current theory attributes to the "big bang" period.
     
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    I am familiar with big bang theory. But astronomy has been wrong before.
     
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    It certainly has! Remember the flat Earth ideas?
     
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    I certainly do.
     
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    But that was almost always in keeping with what was known and understood at the time.

    Case in point, the Andromeda Galaxy. Or as it was known over 1,000 when it was first described, a "Nebula". But it was 700 years later when it was finally studied with a telescope, and the spiral shape was first recorded.

    And in 1755 when some started to speculate that it might be another galaxy like our own. Which was finally confirmed in 1925 when Edwin Hubble was able to identify individual stars in the galaxy.

    But that was all still in keeping with the "Scientific Method", all based on what observations they had available at the time.

    Things like that are not "wrong", simply what could be explained based on the information available at the time.

    Hell, the Atom was first speculated on over 2,500 years ago. And it was only speculated upon until recently. Molecules were identified a little over 200 years ago, and actual atoms themselves only a century ago.

    And I am old enough to remember science books that had an image of the "Andromeda Nebula" on the cover, and that the main 3 components of the Atom were the smallest things there were.

    But none of that made any previous observations "wrong", simply the best explanation based on what they knew at the time.
     
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    They sure weren't right.
     

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