The Biggest Lie from the Democrat Debate

This was a discussion of what to do about the continued rising cost of health care and access in America's health care system, the most expensive in the world. Two people floated a "medicare for all" idea and all some Trump supporters heard was "pocahontas." End of discussion, case closed, I don't like it, I don't want to hear any more lalalala.

The idea of medicare for all has some adherents but only two in this group of ten. Three or four ideas were discussed. This is how people find solutions to problems; they discuss ideas. Another idea that has begun to form is "single payer option." In that idea, one would have the option to sign into medicare or keep their private insurance. It was pointed out that many people would opt to keep their private insurance. Another idea was to keep Obamacare, especially pre-existing conditions clause, but work to improve it.

So far as medicare goes, I have it and I love it. I did pay into it for a lot of years and I still have to pay $250 a month for it but the coverage is almost 100% because a private outfit, Humana, runs it and offers many extra features. I throw that up as another idea -- private run medicare. Humana, et.al., bid to take over medicare, the government gives them the funds, and they're up and running in a competitive quasi-private system. Simple and neat. Biggest advantage, it works and undergoes a continuous improvement process.

 

According to WaPo, these candidates --
Support some version of it

Not all have been specific about how far they’re willing to go in support of single-payer health care.


Booker

Buttigieg

Castro

de Blasio

Gabbard

Gillibrand

Harris

Ryan

Sanders

Sestak

Warren

Williamson

Yang

 

I know folks who waited over a year just to get an appointment. Clearly that "care" wasn't either provided, or able to be evaluated for it's quality because it simply never happened. Oh, and ask how many vets were inadvertently infected with HIV recently because they eventually had a colonoscopy. I'm sure you have the google since you went to such care in your initial research here..

 

It is not. It is government run healthcare. Medicare is an example of single payer.

Made up nonsense

 

Australian citizens pay 3k more in taxes also that's not a totally smooth comparison given your population size and our history of inefficient government programs

 

It's only single payer if you ignore supplemental coverage, prescription drug coverage, dental coverage, and vision coverage. No one is getting Medicare for all because Medicare funding includes 35+ years of premiums paid by the future patients and their employers. The only example of single payer is the VA and their multiple wait lists.

 

The VA is not single payer. Medicare is.

 

The GOP voted like 36 times to kill the ACA when they held the House. That would have cost 10s of millions their healthcare

They spent the first year of the Trump Admin trying to kill it and but for John McCain would have


So yea...the GOP IS trying to take away your doctor...and your healthcare

 

The GOP isn't trying to take my doctor and healthcare away, along with 180 million other Americans, but Fauxcahontas Warren and the rest of the Democrats pushing their "Medicare for All" scheme are trying. If my plan hadn't been grandfathered I would have lost them under FullRetardCare, too.

Thankfully, the GOP killed the individual mandate, which was an affront to our individual freedom. We don't need a bunch of self-serving Democrats and bureaucrats in Washington dictating our HC choices and decisions to us.

 

The VA is single payer. Medicare is not. If you disagree, post evidence that Medicare supplements don't exist, Medicare Part D is a myth, and that Medicare pays 100% of hospitalization, medical care, dental costs.

Other than the government, who else covers the treatment of war injuries?

 

The VA is not single payer. It’s not going to magically become single payer if you keep saying it is. Medicare is single payer. Canada has single payer. The UK has the NHS, which is like the VA. Not single payer.

 

Democrats cannot hope to compete with Trump when it comes to lying.

Whether all Americans will have healthcare coverage via an inclusive, single-payer plan that eliminates the eligibility age of Medicare, or a private option if they so choose, it will not be the "something terrific!" coverage that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!" that Fake Don promised.

Under Fake Don, healthcare costs continue to soar, and millions lose coverage - even as he has not built a single mile of his "big, beautiful wall!" that he guaranteed Mexico would pay for, or made good regarding his huge investment in rebuilding the nation's crumbling infrastructure.

Yet he bloats the nation's debt as if it were just another bankruptcy-bound casino that Russia will bail out.

All those promises will be fulfilled the day he honors his word and releases his tax returns, of course.

He is being mean to China over that climate change hoax he says they perpetrated, but at a high price to the US (except for American farmers for whom he has created a multi-billion dollar welfare program as a consequence of the damage he has done.)

 

Medicare is not single payer. It doesn't cover 100%. Medicaid is single payer. Just can't have any assets. So, after you give the state all your stuff, they will take care of you. Just like Stalin did; like Fidel did; like Chavez did; like Maduro is doing; like Mao did. In your world, there is a long legacy of single payer. Embrace it.

 

Medicare and Medicaid are both single payer single payer. Single payer systems are proven superior systems to ours. Single payer systems provide better care, more efficiently and at a fraction of the cost of ours. This is empirical fact.

 

but, but , but, but, "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance." Fool me once, and it ain't ever gonna happen again. The Democrats are campaigning for Trump. Nothing else could explain the idiocy of their platform. It's hard to believe that they're that stupid, do they really believe this ***** will fly anywhere outside of their base? I really believe the party has been co-opted by deranged extremist progressives and it's the Democrat party in name only.

 

"Check's in the mail." "I promise I won't....uh........ never mind.

 

Here's another big fat whopper:

On the first night of this week’s Democratic debate, one of the hopelessly interchangeable moderates accused the Trump administration of “lurching from one international crisis to another.”

Trump’s foreign policy only creates crises for fictions establishment loves. “President Trump hasn’t, in fact, pursued disorder for its own sake. What he has done is to discard various false foreign-policy dogmas — mostly to salutary effect.”

Witness this week’s US sanctions against Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. The New York Times waxed predictably apoplectic in a news story: “With Mr. Zarif sidelined,” the paper fretted, “it was unclear who else might serve as an experienced intermediary for Tehran in any potential talks.”

The administration imposed the sanctions on the ground that Zarif is little more than a propagandist for Tehran’s aggression and nuclear defiance — putting a slick, smiling face on the regime’s hideous policies.

Why is that useful? Because it means Washington will no longer abide by the fiction that the Islamic Republic is a normal government, with a normal foreign minister who carries out the will of that government and the people it represents.

That was the premise behind the Obama administration’s dealings with Zarif. When Team Obama negotiated the nuclear deal, it did so on the pretense that the man sitting across the table represented a real center of power in Iran — when in fact Zarif is nothing but a factotum in a system dominated by the unelected supreme leader and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

 

This is incoherent.

 

That's what Gorbachev told Reagan.

 

Ok? Medicaid and Medicare are both still single payer, and the empirical evidence shows single payer provides better care, more efficiently and at a fraction of our cost.

 

If Medicare is single-payer, what's this about?

Medicare Supplement (Medigap) Insurance

Do you have fairly frequent doctor or hospital visits? If so, you may already know that Medicare Part A and Part B come with out-of-pocket costs you have to pay. You might be able to save money with a Medicare Supplement insurance plan. Medicare Supplement, or Medigap, insurance plans fill in “gaps” in basic benefits left behind by Original Medicare, Part A and Part B, such as deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments.

In 47 states, there are 10 standardized Medicare Supplement insurance plans that are denoted by the letters A through N (plans E, H, I, and J are no longer sold). The private insurance companies offering these plans do not have to offer every Medicare Supplement plan, but they must offer at least Plan A. If an insurance company chooses to offer any Medicare Supplement insurance plans in addition to Plan A, it must offer either Plan C or Plan F along with any other standardized Medicare Supplement insurance plans it offers.

Please note that although the names may sound similar, the “parts” of Medicare, such as Part A and Part B, are not the same as Medigap Plan A, Plan B, etc.

Medicare Supplement insurance plan basic benefits
Each Medicare Supplement insurance plan offers a different level of basic benefits, but each lettered plan must include the same standardized basic benefits regardless of insurance company and location. For example, Medicare Supplement Plan G in Florida includes the same basic benefits as Plan G in North Dakota. Please note that if you live in Massachusetts, Minnesota, or Wisconsin, your Medicare Supplement insurance plan options are different than in the rest of the country. Medicare Supplement insurance plans do not have to cover vision, dental, long-term care, or hearing aids, but all plans must cover at least a portion of the following basic benefits:

• Medicare Part A coinsurance costs up to an additional 365 days after Medicare benefits are exhausted
• Medicare Part A hospice care coinsurance or copayments
• Medicare Part B coinsurance or copayments
• First three pints of blood used in a medical procedure

Some plans include additional basic benefits. For example, Medicare Supplement Plan F, the most comprehensive standardized Medigap insurance plan, carries the following additional benefits:

• Medicare Part A deductible
• Medicare Part B deductible
• Part B excess charges
• Part B preventive care coinsurance
• Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) care coinsurance
• Foreign travel emergency care (80% of Medicare-approved costs, up to plan limits)

Some plans may include additional innovative benefits.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/medicare/supplement-all/medicare-supplement-plans

So, you're not satisfied being wrong. You have to embarrass yourself.

 

Medicare and Medicaid are both single payer. That will not stop being true not matter how many times you choose to be wrong.

 

As much as health insurance is single payer.

 

Medicare has a deductible. Medicare pays up to 80 percent of your costs.

 

No, health insurance is not single payer. Medicare and Medicaid are examples of single payer.