Women do not deserve death either. The "life" of a women always comes first, not her convenience. Babies that obviously will not make it are not even a consideration. So women have bodily autonomy over the "life" they have chosen to carry? No, at a point their "autonomy" has to be concerned with that life and be a protector of that life. Society also has to be a protector of that life. At what point does a beating heart have "autonomy"?
That is not what the Republican laws are saying. Texas and Idaho have brought laws that discount the woman's life. Also, these medical decisions must by law be made by legal officials, not doctors. These laws are about to be evaluated by the USSC, with other Republican states watching to see if they can take this route on the lives and wellbeing of women. You can search for what these issues are, but remember the Cox case in Texas where a woman was denied an abortion when the woman WANTED a child, but her current pregnancy included an unviable fetus and the existence of that fetus threatened the woman's life, and if she survived it threatened her ability to procreate. A fetus gains autonomy when it is no longer a part of a woman's body. Even then, the healthcare decision maker is the mother - the woman who has made healthcare decisions throughout the pregnancy. However, the baby has the protections that accrue to a citizen.
I just agree that the life of the mother is paramount. This is a small example of abortion however. You continue using the word "fetus" because that dehumanizes a human being that can be nothing else. When the babies heart beats, it becomes a human life! Your logic could apply to adults who are on life support as well. They depend on a machine so you could surmise their lives are worthless!
Texas and other states have demonstrated that their laws are denying serious medical attention to women who NEED that attention. You don't have any point here, because the laws are in place and we have WATCHED what they do. It's even to the point where OB/GYN services are growing less available in states like Tennessee. And, training for certification is avoiding these states. The damage of dwindling availability of healthcare is impacting ALL women. No, I use the word fetus because that is the correct term. Other terms are concocted in order to support the claim that a fetus is a living, breathing child, instead of being what it is - a potentials that is part of the woman's body. We can discuss life support if you want. We can talk about methods of specifying the treatment a person wants for themselves in an advance directive. We can talk about who may make decisions when a patient is incapable. Etc. That's another area where the government doesn't get to override what the patient wants - although there are still places that prevent physician assisted suicide. For these deniers, this is another case of government thinking they know better than the individual, so the individual can just lay there and suffer, because that's what some congress wanted for you.
This is completely untrue. No one supports that and if the woman dies, so does the baby. It's just leftist propoganda.
Really? Then why does Idaho’s abortion legislation punish a medical officer with five year’s imprisonment? https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/jan/05/us-supreme-court-idaho-abortion-ban-medical-emergency So….. Even if this is a partial miscarriage the doctor would be sued. What about an ectopic pregnancy? Sepsis?
Go read the Cox case out of Texas. Her pregnancy was a threat to her life. It was also a threat to her future procreative ability. The fetus was seriously compromised. So, her medical condition could not be solved by medicine. It had to wind its way through the LEGAL system as she applied for an exception. That went all the way up the state system, and she was denied. Luckily for her, she was able to travel to another state. Read about the 10yo rape victim in Illinois. That's an unsafe age at which to give birth. And, the psychological shock of carrying a rape baby in GRADE SCHOOL makes this a humanitarian tragedy. You can easily find other cases of the impact of right wing congressman deciding serious medical decisions they don't know ANYTHING about.
Exactly. These right wing laws are absolutely despicable. The very idea that congress thinks they can make these decisions by writing laws is pure vacuous narcissism.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/15/abortion-high-risk-pregnancy-yeni-glick Awaits the inevitable denigration of the woman at the centre of this story
Presumably the church didn't tell you that the bible doesn't forbid abortion anyway, and actually commands the pregnancy abortions of adulteresses (Lev 20:10, Numbers 5:20-2.
At least your honest. We import illegal to take their place. How 'bout we also eliminate pajama boys as well as the gender confused?
I also like the eugenic benefits of capital punishment, if it is carried out on a sufficiently large scale.
And Jesus said that every jot and tittle of OT law still stands until heaven and earth pass when all is fulfilled (Matt 5:17-19), including the commandments to abort the pregnancies of adulteresses because of the property rights of men (Lev 20:10, Numbers 5:20-28.)
There are too many variables to say that will be the case without knowing specifics. But I will agree that even among anti-abortionists, there is support for exceptions when the mother is at risk.
Read the Texas case of Kate Cox who had a fetus that could not survive. She was in and out of ERs because of this pregnancy. If she carried to term (and lived) she would no longer be able to carry a fetus to live birth. "Last Tuesday, Cox, 31, filed a historic lawsuit, asking the courts to allow her to terminate her pregnancy after she learned her fetus had full trisomy 18, a lethal fetal anomaly. The lawsuit, brought by the Center for Reproductive Rights, said continuing the pregnancy posed a threat to Cox’s health and future fertility, but her doctors refused to perform an abortion due to the state’s near-total ban on the procedure." Her ordeal came due to the prosecutor (Paxton!), judges, legislators, and others - NOT DOCTORS. After failing in all appeals, she went out of state. THEN the question was whether Texas should PROSECUTE her. Since, Texas has stated that doctors can have more latitude. BUT, there was NO QUESTION in the above situation, and there is no doubt that there would have been prosecution of Kate Cox and her doctors had they performed the abortion she needed. Texas Tribune on Cox
