The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

"Here we report on a
survey of biophysical scientists across disciplines at universities in the Big 10 Conference"

Not quite what you are suggesting...

 

This is your OPINION and not a fact. All other evidence says you are wrong and it has been proven time and again.

 

The science is pretty well settled. There are no scientific groups that deny that man contributes to global warming. Now models and data will continue to evolve and old models will improve but none of that is going to change the overwhelming scientific consensus that man significantly contributes to global warming.

 

Actually, you can look it up since it is data an not opinion like yours. Nothing has been proven which is one of those difficult things that true advocates do not want to face.

 

That is the propaganda to be sure. For instance, according to the models the Atlantic was supposed to be warming based on man made CO2 and hurricanes would be worse yet it the Atlantic has cooled and was warmer in the 40's. Climate change was the alarmist call when Hurricane Sandy happened and I expect it will be the claim again for hurricane Joachuim but observed science says otherwise. Propaganda. Models are not observed science or fact.

You can look up the data for the Atlantic area that created Sandy and is creating Joachuim for yourself. http://climexp.knmi.nl/start.cgi?id=someone@somewhere

Oops. It is already happening.

What we’ve learned about hurricanes and climate change since Katrina

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Wrong!

This statement is factually incorrect.

The Science is FAR, far, far... from settled in the true scientific community.

Among "Climate Scientists", whose funding comes from Leftie Government Programs, because they get PAID to spout it, you will find large support for these silly theories.

Among serious scientists who have a background in fundamental physical sciences, but working in fields of meteorological weather forecasting, aerospace engineering, nuclear engineering, military R&D, phara R&D, Camera Optics, and Industrial Laser Design and Manufacturing, ...

In other words, among people who do not get their paychecks from the AGW "Industry" and Hoax...

You will find a majority of scientists who will tell you that we do not have enough concrete, well documented and broad time span data to make any scientifically sound analysis yet, and that collecting such data will take centuries. And that data needs to be carefully validated by "un-biased" collectors, who are not swayed by their funding coming solely from the pro-AGW political sources.

You will also find that a majority of unbiased scientists who are objective and well educated in the field do not believe it likely that Man's actions are the Major Influence in climate change, but a minor to probably insignificant factor.

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Seem that the conspiracy to promote the belief in man's contribution to global warming is global
List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations

(Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

 

Speaking of paychecks. Here is a bottom feeder that has become rich off of taxpayer money and was behind the call to government to abuse the RICO statutes to go after skeptics.

Shukla has made 1.5 million for himself and is wife off of us and employs much of his own family. Roger Pielke discovered the money behind Shukla. Shukla's organization, after posting the letter then taking it down says it is disbanding the organization since all the work was completed in 2015 yet records show they were awarded 4 million for work to be finished in 2017.

Climate Scientists Asking Obama To Prosecute Skeptics Got Millions From US Taxpayers

 

The crowd of AWG biased Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) hacks...

Try real scientists for a change, who do NOT get their funding from promoting the AGW hoax.

A person who studies the radiative coupling of radiate energy from an industrial cutting laser can more more acturatelly calculate the energy coming from the sun down to earth, than the hacks who get their funding from AGW hoax, partly because their jobs require them to get the science right on a continuous basis, or their laser fails to cut the cloth/Steel/plastic in the factory...

but more importantly, they still get their paychecks, regardless of whether they AGW theory is found to be "Settled" or not.

And among pragmatic scientists and engineers, the AGW theories are seen as just silly!

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Er...climate disruption now.

 

Next post should be the list of scientific organizations worldwide that deny man's contribution to global warming. I will wait.

 

Must be comforting to be able to believe in worldwide conspiracies.

 

Real Scientists do not make claims of conclusions, when not enough time has passed, or enough valid data collected, to make a sound scientific judgement!

You won't find such claims, not because there are no real scientists who question AGW theories, but because anyone who takes science seriously, understands the mathematical basis of signal to noise ratios, and the sampling periods and accuracy required to make a science based claim, and the nature of the issue of solar radiative coupling and rate of change, makes the minimum time to determine a current "Trend", much less general historical cause and effect of climate change, a period of measures in centuries... not a few years of highly questionable data!

We do NOT have the data required, and will not have it for at least another two hundred years!

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Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Like the climate statement from the American Physical Society that was drafted unilaterally by a couple advocates and generated complaints from over 160 of it's members, especially since it completely ignored the result of a workgroup it sponsored to give advice for the statement.

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Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Like the climate statement from the American Physical Society that was drafted unilaterally by a couple advocates and generated complaints from over 160 of it's members, especially since it completely ignored the result of a workgroup it sponsored to give advice for the statement.

 

At one time nine out of ten scientist thought the world was flat.
At another time nine out of ten scientist thought the sun revolved around the earth. So what.

The warming pause that started at the end of the 90's, with a continual rise in CO2 levels should be setting off alarm bells for the man made warming crowd, but it isn't because people like the OP have made this about ideology instead of science.

 

The alternative theory:

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"Industrialists can poop into the sky with impunity!"​

(The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) does not attribute to the Koch Brothers such a divine dispensation.)


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Are you confusing scientific consensus with political consensus? And there really is no other side of the arguement. Just a few industry stooges paid by the hydrocarbon lobby and a few deniers who probably still think the sun revolves around the earth.

 

Confirmation bias, not conspiracy. Scientists are not superhuman.

 

If you were up to date you would know that has already been resolved.

 

A worldwide confirmation bias. Please don't use terms you don't understand.

 

And the repeated incidents of falsified scientific data, and revelations of Millions of Government Dollars ending up in the pockets of those pushing for Prosecution of "Deniers" should also be raising significant flags of questioning ALL of what is being presented as "Scientific Evidence" for the AGW theories.

Particularly because other disciplines of science keep coming up with data which directly contradicts the claims being made by the AGW crowd.

For people such as myself, who worked at Los Alamos National Labs and Sandia National Labs, designing, building, calibrating, and fielding Optical Pyrometers, for fusion energy research, the measurements made in such endeavors, particularly in the area of Solar Radiation, hot black body Spectral Distribution, and Rayleigh Scattering changing coupled energy from a Z-pinch driven holoraum to a fusion ignition target.... we, who do NOT owe our continued funding to the spouting of PC Psuedo-Science claims!, ... and we almost universally see this AGW theory and political movement as a giant hoax!

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Umm, no it hasn't.

 

You specifically cannot address the science but think politics is climate science. That's OK since the agenda needs people like you.