The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

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  1. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    You're right. But they can gather enough data to make a conclusion. In this case they have more than enough data to do so.
     
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    Like they did when the claimed the sun revolved around the earth. Its like asking a first grader to explain quantum physics
     
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    Sure start with Solar... Detail how accurate the readings were back then compared to now... When you do so it might sink in... Finally.
     
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    You fail again.

    Right in the first paragraph of the paper it references the Cook paper - a paper so totally discredited that any paper that references it as proof of the majority is automatically a failure.

    FAIL, FAIL, FAIL.
     
  5. TheTaoOfBill

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    Very detailed. We've been observing solar spots since ancient Greece. But we began standardizing an official record in about 1817. Before that we have a spotty record of solar activity from various astronomers going back to ancient Greece. But since modern climate change didn't really begin until the late 19th century and we've been accurately recording sunspots since the early 19th century we've recorded it accurately enough to know for a fact that solar activity has remained relatively stable and cannot explain climate change today.
     
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    lol, maybe your the ONE!!!! You are so smart n stuff, you can help me!!!! I'm trying to make a doomsday clock for when all the ice on the poles will melt. But with all your science and consistences, no 2 statist drones can give me the same prediction. So, the poles have X amount of ice. Y amount melts every year, how many years till Y = X? With all your "science", this should be a hella easy request.
     
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    Scientists have known the earth revolved around the sun since ancient times.
     
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    But not always .

    Those were not ancient times as far as the earth is concerned but recent
     
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    Since the very first astronomers existed.
     
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    How do you know we have recorded it accurately enough to know for a fact that solar activity has remained relatively stable and cannot explain climate change today ? Because some new study now claims its so ?
     
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    Document it.
     
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    Because it was published and peer reviewed. Lots of amateur astronomers and other scientists wrote down the numbers on their own and they all matched up.

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    document what?
     
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    As I thought all the priests of AGW agree

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    A recent thing just as is man
     
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    A new Hurricane is heading our way and the new models show it heading....wait for it........EVERYWHERE. Basically, no matter what path it takes, 1 model is ALWAYS right. Its basically guessing a coin flip but getting 2 answers. You CAN'T be wrong. Apply to climate change. Climate Change is ALWAYS RIGHT, because climate is always changing. That's why the terminology was changed from Global Warming. Why did scientists shift the term if it wasn't 100% FACT? Because if its not warming, they would be WRONG and scientists can't be wrong when their entire way of life is dependent on the earth's climate changing, NOT warming.

    If we are solely responsible for climate changing NOW, who was responsible for it changing 1000 years ago, 1000000 yrs ago? It changed in drastic ways in the past without us here. But THIS TIME, its all on us? Why? It certainly makes sense. What we're doing can NOT be good. But how much of it is OUR fault. .0001% We've only been here a blip and accurate data we have is also a blip.

    NO ONE disagrees with Climate Change. But how much is TRULY our fault? Not a single scientist can prove ANY OF IT. All they can do is guess, much like a Hurricane's path. Now if they said, "see this path, this is where its going to go" and they're correct, great. But they predict every possible path and I'm supposed to think that's smart? I can predict all those paths drawing random lines on the map and be just as accurate as they are. The ones that were wrong could be drawn up by a blind monkey.

    All of this is almost EXACTLY like Hollywood. When certain movies comes out all the "experts" claim its fantastic, then it does SH!T at the box office and they still claim its fantastic, they STILL hand out awards to people. Because no one wants to be the one to say the truth and just say, THE MOVIE SUCKED and the ONLY REASON you're praising it is because you HAVE TO or be ostracized or shamed. Affirmative Action dictates you must comply. They're more concerned about their career, which makes sense. I wouldn't toss my career down the tubes either. If I had to suck it up and smile politely, so be it. This seems all too familiar. If one climate scientist comes out and questions the data, whats the first thing that happens to him? Sound familiar?
     
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    Except 4.8 billion years of climate change.

    It's like you people are constantly arguing that 2+2=5 and finding a survey of 3,000 scientists where roughly 2,900 believe it, therefor making it true. Nevermind the other millions out there that weren't included in the poll or survey.

    Global warming.....
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    That's because the media lets them get away with it. Look at Hillary... She's been skating above the law for so long, and being given a pass, that she doesn't bat an eye when questioned about her emails. In fact, she takes offense to it.
     
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    Wrong. It is beyond impossible for science to disprove religion. Try again.
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That makes as much sense as a screen door on a battleship.
     
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    Get it right the saying is its as useful as a screen door on a submarine
     
  20. Thirty6BelowZero

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    Out of hundreds of thousands. You just exposed your own (*)(*)(*)(*) and don't even know it.
     
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/epas-air-pollution-target-flatulent-cows/

    Any idea how much CO2 a volcano spits out?
     
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    5,000 or less years ago... The world is 4.8 billion years old, so like Penrod said, at one point, scientists agreed that the sun revolved around the earth.
     
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    Looks like we got us a Mexican stand-off of sorts. 9/10 religionists do not believe man is responsible for modern climate change.
     
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    That we have been accurate with solar activity readings since 1880. You seem to be saying we havent made advancements in that area and i find that hard to believe.
     
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    Pretty sure he is doing the Back to the Future line.

    Screen Door On A Battleship
    the wrong way that biff tannen from back to the future says it, the right way is a screen door on a submarine
    Biff Tannen: That's about as funny as a screen door on a battleship

    Marty Mcfly: It's screen door on a submarine you dork
     
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