The Criminalization of Christianity

I find sports offensive when it is thrusted in my face…and its thrusted 364 days a year…no I take that back….365. You go to restaurants and televisions are all around…sports on holidays…every sport….football, baseball….soccer….golf…..basketball…when one ends another begins……SIGH.

Do not blame us for hatred.

We as Christians are COMMANDED BY CHRIST IN THE GREAT COMMISSION…to take the gospel to the ends of the earth and to share our faith. If you don't want to hear it that is YOUR CHOICE….but don't blame us for simply sharing the love of God with people.
Advice…if you do not want to hear it…politely say that you are not interested. Why does hate have to be involved?
This is not the only site I debate on. I will say this…the atheists on this site are the nicest and the best mannered of all the sites I participate on. Most sites the atheists are horribly mean and cruel. They have a beef with people of faith.

I believe there is hatred on all sides…so for you to blame….only one side…is wrong its unfair.

 

Churchmouse:

Are you going to answer to your false claims that children are banned from prayer in schools or that schools and courtrooms belong solely to Christians?

 

I believe there is a way to spread the Christian faith and a way NOT to spread it. Ive heard it said that the best way to explain the Christian faith is to do ones best at being a good Christian.

To be honest, I don't do that much evangelizing. If I come across anyone with any misconceptions about my faith, I'll do what I can to correct it and if people have any questions, I'll do my best to give them the correct answer.

 

So Christians merely by pointing out SOMETIMES the discrimination are acting the victim...AREYOU ACTUALLY denying the discrimination?? You can't wear a cross in some venues. You can't pray at games, even if the majority in the crowd want to or have no problems. Christians are ignored while here in the US and the world Muslims are accomodated. Someone wants to take the mention of God off this or that, and they want to remove crosses where they have always and traditionally BEEN. Christianity is continually insulted. It's inserted into this forum on unsuspecting christians who note your rudeness. And if some 'christian' takes exception then THEY are the evil one.

Actually Christians like freedom. AND fairness to the extent that life CAN be fair. We resent tyrants.

You can deny it all you want even as you try to change it. THIS COUNTRY was founded on Judeo-Christian principles...that means the Bible for those of you on the west coast. THAT is the way it is. If you don't like it, you can go elsewhere to your socialist utopias...oh wait a minute. THERE ARE NONE.

 

Which venues? Citation needed.

Really?

Really? Citation? How can Christians be ignored if the majority of US representatives Christians? Why is is difficult to be elected to any higher office without a belief in god?

What you do for one you do for all. If you cannot accommodate all religious beliefs in a display, you accommodate none. You are just as oppressed as the Pastafarians.

Um..... nope. Everyone is continually insulted. You are hardly the sole victims here.

Riiiggghhhhttttt...... they love freedom so much they want to use the government to limit other people's freedoms on religious grounds.

Um..... nope. The US was not founded on Judeo-Christian values. The very separation of church and state removes your argument from any sense of relevancy.

Also, the removal of religion from government does not equal socialism. Educate yourself a bit on politics 101.

 

I didn't read your drivel past the "commanded" part.

Nonetheless, don't blame us for the self inflicted blow back and don't expect an easy ride.

Perhaps atheists are horrible and mean and cruel, as it's the religious types who are making our world a dangerous place? Perhaps we find it odd that your ex-president claimed to be christian and chose war as a solution to problems? Perhaps they object to the incarceration of 10's of 1000's of women up until the 90's in christian work houses, so that the church could make money from washing clothes? Perhaps they object to the church covering up the kiddie fiddlers? Or the movement of one pedo priest to a new town, where he could reoffend, ruining yet more lives. Perhaps it's because your constitution does not limit rights to straight people, and christians conveniently forget this? Or because you cherry pick the bible; ignoring not working on a sunday, selling your daughter to slavery and a whole bunch of other things that YOU SHOULD NOT DO YOURSELVES, yet chose to condemn homosexuals, because the very document you chose to ignore over your own sins, you hit others about the head with?

Perhaps it's a whole load more things.

One thing is for sure, you should get your own house in order first before insisting others follow your own misguided interpretation of what god wants.

Start with a campiagn about touching pigs; you're not allowed to, the bible states so and yet you're all getting a free pass.

 

I won't involve myself in a discussion of what may or may not be Christian. I am not equipped to place such judgment, nor do I wish to be.

I cannot but maintain that pointing to prophecies stating that Christians shall be hated supports the idea that Christians themselves are responsible for hatred towards them. Whether or not they actually are responsible for all kinds of hatred, should such kinds manifest themselves beyond the emotions produced by the prophetic tenets, is a different matter. There are more factors in play than self-fulfilling prophecies (including but not limited to other exclusivistic tenets and other, competing religions with similar tenets of their own).

Ah ok, no problem.

 

They're acting the victim when they fabricate discrimination. Like the guy who created a hostile workplace and was fired. It wasn't discrimination, it was a guy getting fired for offending the people around him and refusing to stop. That would have happened regardless of his religion. I've seen it happen to Christians, atheists, Muslims, Jews, and Buddhists. Everyone faces some sort of adversity in life, but "Christian" is second only to "white" when it comes to groups that face the least amount of oppression in the US.

 

Christians are special people because they follow a higher power. Therefore, logically speaking, because Christians follow a higher power, then that means Christians are a part of that higher power and are special people not to be ignored.

Therefore, Christian, Christians have more rights than everybody because they follow the ONE TRUE GOD.

Everything must be Christianized too.

How dare people be non-Christians?

Anything other than Christianity is a tyranny!

Harumph!

 

Which reminds me:

“No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”
- George Bush Sr.

I do not see politicians telling the poor oppressed Christians they are not citizens.

Does anyone else?

 

head full of fluff. Socialism always tries to remove religion from the population. You have been lied to about this separation of church and state and have got it all wrong. but i can't see wasting my time on that.

How are christians limiting your freedom. You're watching your freedom limited and society coarsened and destroyed and you think christianity is the enemy. Well fine. You just go right on ahead and be a good liberals and swallow everything you're told. Talk about sheep. Talk about slaves in the making.

and by the way, Tebow does this in spite of the media heat. Libs have called for him to be fired. If you libs are so tolerant you oughta be able to have a little tolerance for someone else's lifestyle. you don't. And if christians want to vote for another christian what the hell is it to you? All you guys gotta do is vote for the opposite. and you did that didn't you. How's that workin' out for ya?

 

Considering Jesus was a socialist, I fail to see the relevancy here.

What is socialism anyway?

No, I suggest reading the 1st Amendment.

Christians are limiting where my brother can marry his fiance'. So yes, they do use their religion as a limitation of freedoms.

You just contradicted yourself.

- You failed to cite the venues were crosses are banned.
- You failed to cite the instances where people are prevented from paying at a game.
- You failed to demonstrate how Christians are ignored/oppressed despite almost everyone in the government being of faith.
- You failed to describe the "opposite". Oh, let me guess, Obama is a closet Muslim?

 

of course you don't see the relevancy. You don't see much of anything.

 

Either address the points or abstain from posting in the thread an consuming unnecessary bandwidth.

 

Yeah, I remember that, although I didn't find out about it until years later.

Still, all he was doing was expressing an opinion, and what's important to me if he would've acted on it. I really don't understand people's over the top reactions whenever a President expresses an opinion. He's an American citizen, and he should have the same rights as everybody else, regardless of political affiliation.

 

Jesus was never a Socialist he was for Charity. Christianity and socialism can not mix because the commandment says thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet.

As far as those others go:

strawman
What does money have to do with it?
strawman

 

It is not the political affiliation, but the position.

A president should not make divisive comments about American citizens. That is the issue.

I find it disturbing that a politician does not believe that certain people are citizens because they do not believe in god. His god of course.

 

There are also bits in there about giving away all of your wealth. Wealth is unimportant to the well being of human beings, I do not believe you will find much in the New Testament to contradict that.

The others directly address his claims. Not strawmen.

 

I know that story well, but when you read it in its full context, you'll see it is not about Socialism, but charity. The primary difference is this: Socialism does not give you any kind of choice, God gives us a choice on what we want to choose.

Which is do you value material items above all else, or do you value God above all else?

If you value material items you do not value God.

Because god really has no need for material items. When you're in heaven, you shouldn't really need them either.

Humanity does, though, value material things, sometimes more than life itself.

 

I do not think we share the same definition of socialism.

 

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I don't agree. If that were the case then really, the President, regardless of political affiliation, could not say anything. Because of people's propensity for knee jerk reactions, everything he say will be divisive.

Which ever party he belongs to is divisive, because belonging to a political party is inherently divisive in an of itself.

Being very wealthy is divisive in and of itself.

 

He said that certain people should not be considered US citizens, should not enjoy the rights of US citizens, just because they just so happen to believe differently then him.

The comment is inexcusable.

 

It's called the right to free speech.

That means each and every single American has the right to express an opinion, regardless of station or wealth.

Being the President does not remove that right, regardless of what some people claim. (The usual higher standards crapola).

Rights must apply to everybody equally or they cease being rights and instead becomes a game of double standards and special privileges, and that's not what rights are for.

It is a (*)(*)(*)(*) poor opinion, but he does have a right to express it.

It's just an opinion, and opinions are like ********s and elbows. Everybody has them.

 

Um, I don't care.

Just because you can, does not mean you should. Being the president of the United States, elected by the people, elected by those who you wish to dismiss as non-citizens, means there are certain things that you should and should not say.

I can respect anyone's right to speak, but I too have the right to find such statements inexcusable.

 

No, but most of them have an absolutely rational reason to dislike christians. 99% of christians do not act like christians. They pass judgement on others, they think they are better than others, and alot of them are even very stingy. Even the church has gotten a little crazy. They need to all calm down.