The Dawn of the Clone Wars

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    The true meaning of war has always been clear to Iran and Iranians. It is your side that has been misled about it.
     
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    It is ignorance that is encouraged by a sophisticated propaganda machine. One that, after Vietnam, and helped by Saddam's incredibly stupid tactics and moves during the 1991 war, found a lifeline in the propaganda show called "shock and awe".
     
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    But why would we want to?
     
  4. Reality

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    The iranians do not have the capability to launch an attack on the american homeland.
    Not even in their most puffed up claims, do they state that. Why? Because its laughable.
     
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    I didn't say anything about that, I said if we took the gloves off Iran is glass.
     
  6. Iranian Monitor

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    No one is arguing about the US nuclear capability. The issue is about the things the American military industrial complex wants to sell both to the US government and to foreign countries. It is also the need to give credence to American threats without having to pull the nuclear card.
     
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    Anyway, my aim here and elsewhere is to help Americans realize somethings about their own government and its propaganda machine. To basically find the backbone to stand up to lobbies that have corrupted the US government and all of its institutions. Two lobbies that work hand-in-hand: the pro Israel lobby and the military industrial lobby (not to be confused with the American military itself).
     
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    And yet this is all about who will be the regional power. We are determined to not let it be Iran. Why do we care?
     
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    It is all about something that had an organization to go along with its name: A Project for a New American Century (of US/Israeli hegemony in the ME). An agenda that would replace the Cold War era Containment and become the principal reason for the US to spend nearly a trillion dollars a year on its military, while giving the ultra Zionists (both Jewish and Christian variety) their "Greater Israel" and more.
     
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    That is true which makes the position you put just so cowardly. There is always terrorism
     
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    American air power is terrorism, when its greatest utility is in its power of vandalism. And in the annals of history, there have never been greater acts of terrorism than dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I don't think those bombs were looking for Japanese soldiers hiding behind women and children and everything else. More recently, we have seen it in Yemen with Saudi air power, before that with the Israelis in Lebanon and elsewhere, and of course in the only utility that shock and awe could claim! Iranians, of course, experienced terrorism in its ugliest forms when Saddam was shielded, supported and supplied, chemical weapons to use indiscriminately against Iranian troops and civilians alike. To avoid letting Saddam lose was that important to these folks.

    Unfortunately, Americans (and especially those with the most to lose and the least reasons to support it) are hooked on their empire. They have traded America being able to produce things again, to have a real message for people around the world to find inspiration in, to not be a tool of special interest groups, for the chance to beat their chests and proudly tell people they can turn their countries into glass!
     
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    This president will bring Iran down without spending one cent on weapons.
    You can continue with your BS till youre blue in the face.
    The US does not think you are important enough to pay attention to.
     
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    I didn't say we'd need nukes. We've got plenty of bombs and can and will make more.
    If we used nukes it wouldn't really be a war, it would be a slaughter.
     
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    They shouldn't talk **** then
     
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    K. But only because you invoked Skynet ;)

    There will not be a ban on drones because the technology is already proliferated. DIY kits for vehicles with the capabilities described above are available to children on ebay (minus the explosives and rockets, of course). These worms are long out of the can.

    And in the grand scheme, I think its a good thing that technology and innovation continues to allow viable assymetric warfare systems that balance power between large state militaries and rebel groups. But then again, Im one of those people who does not view a power monopoly of a state as legitimate...
     
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    We are headed to a new era of automated warfare as they most cost-effective way of killing people. And there will be no where to hide as every inch of the planet will be digitalized and reconned by satellite.

    This era is rapidly upon us through the billions and billions of dollars spent on innovating weapons technology and forcing a new arms race. Tactical nukes are on the table as our military leaders are losing their fear of nuclear conflict.

    The weaponing of space will be another factor.

    All that money could be going to improving the human condition and solving some of the many problems we face as a species.

    One suspects that the human race is completely irrational, possibly becoming more and more insane and racing towards it's own inevitable destruction. Certainly we are in a sixth mass species extinction and one that will be exacerbated by another suicidal war. We are such a factor of death and destruction for species that we are now our own era - the Anthropocene.

    As other species ruled the Earth for far longer than the 200,000 or so years we have been around, there is no evidence that intelligence is a prerequisite for survival.

    This moment may be a strange blip whereby the Universe gets to observe itself.
     
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    Damn. And I thought my weed was good--The Universe as a conscious entity, fear of the Terminators, mass hysteria leading to extinction, made-up words (Anthropocene) about manmade epochs--doesn't get any better than that.

    Tomorrow Never Knows--The Beatles (Lennon)



    Tomorrow may not, but I do, As does Ayn Rand:

    "Wars are the second greatest evil that human societies can perpetrate. (The first is dictatorship, the enslavement of their own citizens, which is the cause of wars.)"

    "If nuclear weapons are a dreadful threat and mankind cannot afford war any longer, then mankind cannot afford statism any longer. Let no man of good will take it upon his conscience to advocate the rule of force—outside or inside his own country. Let all those who are actually concerned with peace—those who do love man and do care about his survival—realize that if war is ever to be outlawed, it is the use of force that has to be outlawed."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/war.html

    As did Klaatu: The Day the Earth Stood Still


    I prefer The Dawn of the Drone Wars--aesthetically more pleasing, and a nice opportunity for some alliteration, and more spot on.
     
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  19. EarthSky

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    These are actually scientific concepts. If you don't understand science then it wont' make any sense. But you cannot easily discount anything I said with a rational argument. Automation is coming, we are in a mass species extinction and scientists are calling this era by the massive effects humans are having on ecosystems everywhere.

    And, while it may not be the truth at all, you cannot rule out entirely the possibility that this is a simulation or that the Universe is observing itself through consciousness.



    of course if all you do is post silly platitude from bad science fiction........smoke the big one dude,.
     
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    Whoa. Talking about the kettle calling the pot "smoking". LOL. You go for it--a trip like that oughten be wasted, even if one is wasted.
     
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    You do realize that what Ayn Rand, Klaatu, and I are against is the very thing you fear--the initiation of irrational force against a civilian population--I stress both initiation and irrational--like the minds behind the idea of self-induced mass extinction and machines ruling the world (If we are extinct, who's building and programming the machines? Oh the machines--we left them running). And the ideal we are fighting for is the abolition of force in human affairs.

    Who's preaching science fiction? Klaatu? Rand? I? Or is it you?

    Hey!

     
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    Get ready to give up your drones! The terrorists take another thing away from us, just ****ing great.

    I use drone photography as I go to a lot of beautiful remote places and you can get some incredible footage from the air.

    It's hard enough to comply with the current regulations.
     
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    "Moderator Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the museum’s Hayden Planetarium, put the odds at 50-50 that our entire existence is a program on someone else’s hard drive. “I think the likelihood may be very high,” he said. He noted the gap between human and chimpanzee intelligence, despite the fact that we share more than 98 percent of our DNA. Somewhere out there could be a being whose intelligence is that much greater than our own. “We would be drooling, blithering idiots in their presence,” he said. “If that’s the case, it is easy for me to imagine that everything in our lives is just a creation of some other entity for their entertainment.

    A popular argument for the simulation hypothesis came from University of Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrum in 2003, when he suggested that members of an advanced civilization with enormous computing power might decide to run simulations of their ancestors. They would probably have the ability to run many, many such simulations, to the point where the vast majority of minds would actually be artificial ones within such simulations, rather than the original ancestral minds. So simple statistics suggest it is much more likely that we are among the simulated minds.”

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation/









    Pretty esoteric I know but greater minds than ours consider these ideas scientifically. Seriously the odds are by no means zero.....

    I will admit that the odd hoot helps my descent into old age a bit.

    That ayahuasca trip to Peru is easy for me to book for you. If you want to find out more about your own reality or how you can help yourself deprogram from the lunatic ravings of terrible science fiction writers let me know and I will show you the booking details.
     

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