It doesn't hurt my feelings. It's you that is running from the truth. I will however post one more video, that if you did watch, it would at least make you wonder. And yes I know you will not watch it, but if for some reason you do, notice the sun and moon. It is a camera on a balloon at 121,000 ft, or roughly 23 miles. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...83F0005B3C2D774C6BAE83F00&fsscr=0&FORM=VDMCNL
I watched the 1st 30 seconds. Without a doubt is show the curve of the earth. Only a troll says it is flat.
Only man could create the concept of HELL and SATAN and only man could create the concept of a GOD. The Universe and Multiverse is far more complex than such trivial human concepts. And we certainly are not the only space faring intelligent race in this Universe...not by a long shot. AA
Does this mean your rule for not trusting images you weren't present when they were taken doesn't apply to video or just doesn't apply to you?
This guy can't possibly believe the world is flat. He is playing a game or he is completely mentally unstable. AA
I'm using my head. Aren't you the one who was lecturing others about insults and hatred? What have I done to deserve it? "The more you lose your temper, the more I am easily able to tell you are no prophet of God." Does that statement apply to you as well? If the water is not ramping up (which was the phrase your video used), and the Earth is flat, how can the water be obstructing the view of the buildings? Exactly what "perspective" is causing the water to block the view? If you are standing on one shore, and the Earth is flat, then you would be able to see the other shore. But you can't. The horizon blocks your view. If the water is not "ramping up" they how is the horizon blocking your view of the other shore? I've been in airplanes and seen it. Well why rely on something with a known distortion? That won't get you the truth.
Is there any logic in your reply. What do you think, is the video fake, does that look like CGI to you. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...8503CDBADC7AE5FC873F8503C&FORM=VDQVAP&fsscr=0 For awhile there I really did think it was crazy to believe the earth was flat. However I am the type of person that even if it was just one person making such a huge claim, I am going to look into it. However in doing so, is when I found out that all pictures of earth from space are fake. This of course made me say WTF, so I looked even deeper. There is no absolute proof for the round or flat earth. Even this to me was amazing, just not having proof of what we've been taught our entire lives. To me any sane person would want to know what would make a person have such a claim. If you would quit the name calling and actually look into it yourself, regardless of outside persuasion, you might be very surprised.
Notice what the gopro camera does in this video. The same thing is being done in this picture. I also ran this picture through FotoForensics.com it is a real picture. Now if you run it through FotoForensics.com you will be able to see how to tell if they are real, like the one you have posted here.. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...83F0005B3C2D774C6BAE83F00&fsscr=0&FORM=VDMCNL
I've given conclusive proof 9 different ways. All without relying on photos or video. You've completely ignored the proof of what your eyes and experience tell you. To me any sane person would want to know what would make a person have such a claim. - - - Updated - - - Why are you dodging the questions and defending your position? If the water is not ramping up (which was the phrase your video used), and the Earth is flat, how can the water be obstructing the view of the buildings? Exactly what "perspective" is causing the water to block the view? If you are standing on one shore, and the Earth is flat, then you would be able to see the other shore. But you can't. The horizon blocks your view. If the water is not "ramping up" they how is the horizon blocking your view of the other shore?
That proves the gopro does not capture a flat image and is distorted at the ends. So why do you keep relying on the gopro camera. We don't have to rely on the pictures from the airplane. We can get into and airline cruising at altitude and observe the curvature ourselves. Do it and find the truth. o Why does Polaris not move in the sky if all the stars revolve around the Earth? o Why does Cassiopeia and the Big Dipper revolve around Polaris and not the Earth if all the heavens revolve around Earth? o Why, without exception, do stars near the Equator make large arcs around the sky while those closer to the poles make small arcs around the pole if the Earth is flat? o Why does the position of Polaris in the sky vary with latitude if the Earth is flat? o Why is there sunlight on only half of the Earth at one time if the Earth is flat? o Do you believe that all rocket launches are a fictions and the scores of thousands involved in one or witnessing one are liars? o Do you believe jet airliners are a fiction and that everyone who has flown in one and observed the curvature of the earth (and no edge) are liars?
You will have to forgive me. When being attacked by everybody it is hard to keep up with reply's, for this is not the only site I am on. What 9 proofs did you give me of a round earth? Because it would seem to me that you only gave me question's not proof. And you must remember, all the astronomy of the flat earth is being researched right now. Here is just one of few that explains Polaris and all the star movement. Which the current theory cannot even do. This is not what they claim it to be yet, again everything is being researched now. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...5D409EFB31C7959AFE665D409EFB31C79&FORM=VRDGAR
I gave you definitive proof. We have placed Human's in orbit of the planet and we have thousands of satellites in orbit and if not for the Orbital Worldwide U.S. GPS System orbiting the planet GPS would not work. AA
You can start by addressing the questions you once again dodged in the post you just answered. If the water is not ramping up (which was the phrase your video used), and the Earth is flat, how can the water be obstructing the view of the buildings? Exactly what "perspective" is causing the water to block the view? If you are standing on one shore, and the Earth is flat, then you would be able to see the other shore. But you can't. The horizon blocks your view. If the water is not "ramping up" they how is the horizon blocking your view of the other shore? The 9 proofs I referred to: o Why do tall buildings slowly sink under the horizon instead of fade away in the distance? o Why is the horizon curved when you look out the window of an airplane at altitude? o Why is there no edge to the Earth where we observe longer hours of sunlight if it is flat? o Why does Polaris not move in the sky if all the stars revolve around the Earth? o Why does Cassiopeia and the Big Dipper revolve around Polaris and not the Earth if all the heavens revolve around Earth? o Why, without exception, do stars near the Equator make large arcs around the sky while those closer to the poles make small arcs around the pole if the Earth is flat? o Why does the position of Polaris in the sky vary with latitude if the Earth is flat? o Why is there sunlight on only half of the Earth at one time if the Earth is flat? o Do you believe that all rocket launches are a fictions and the scores of thousands involved in one or witnessing one are liars? o Do you believe jet airliners are a fiction and that everyone who has flown in one and observed the curvature of the earth (and no edge) are liars? All these are things are are observable without having to rely on photographs or videos. To the extent I use them I use them for illustrative purposes, but you or anyone can get into a transatlantic jet or take a boat out into the ocean or observe the constellations yourself to verify the fact. The last two are more questions relating to the implausibility of this being a conspiracy as you seem to believe.
Even on a flat earth you are going to have a horizon, and vanishing point. This is because of perspective, it has nothing to do with a curvature. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson knows this. If the earth is a sphere we are to small to see it's curvature standing on the ground. This is applicable on the ocean as well. You must be so high to see the curvature, therefore out on the water your vanishing point is not caused by the curve, it is perspective. If I answer all these questions, it would be a waste of my time. You are not going to accept the answers, or watch the videos answering them. Because you do not care. If it is something you cared about, you would be answering these on your own. I'm not here to persuade or convince, merely seeking the truth. If you have read my reply's you would see I am absolutely prepared to be wrong, nor do I have a problem admitting it. Because I am after the truth. And as of now the sphere earth cannot be proven, regardless of the questions you have for the flat earth, which I also admit cannot be proven at this time. This is why I am looking into it. Do my posts and replies show a biased point of view. Yes, and I will admit it, but this is not due to the research I and others have done, for neither one can be proven. The bias comes from what the Bible says. To be brief, it says God stopped the sun and moon for one day, for Joseph. If the sun and moon are not moving, how then did God stop them? Joshua 10:13 The Sun Stands Still 12Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." 13So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel. 15Then Joshua and all Israel with him returned to the camp to Gilgal. Maybe to help you better understand my mind set, this will help. In my opinion, anything that opposes the word of God, is what needs to be proven. If the current earth model opposes God's word, they need to prove it. This is why I dove into this. Because the current earth model does oppose God's word. Yet it cannot be proven. When you tell me that you can prove it, you don't. You merely ask questions regarding the flat earth, and how it is that would work. Doing this does not prove the current earth model. Weather the earth is round, flat, square, or triangle, the model thereof must show a sun and moon that are moving. God did not say he stopped the earth, nor would he confuse or deceive mankind, for that is the work of the devil. So if you believe in God, does this not make you at least wonder?
There is nothing wrong with believing in God. If it is something you do not agree with, there is no reason for elementary behavior. Then again there might be. For a Godless person, is going to act in an evil and hateful way.
Have you seen the movie The Martian? Or what about the movie Gravity? These movies look just as real as the footage we get from the ISS and all other images and videos of space. In Hollywood it's called either a blue screen or green screen. Do you think movies are real?
Why? If the Earth is flat, you should be able to see to the edge of the Earth, looking over the water. It's not going to "ramp up" and block your vision. You say that as a conclusion. But you fail to explain what it is about "perspective" that would cause the horizon to "ramp up" and block your line of sight view. If the Earth is flat, that is. If the Earth is flat, you can stand at one point and see to the edge of the earth. Two parallel lines never intersect. It's simply geometry. There's no "perspective" about it an certainly nothing that would cause the horizon to "ramp up" and obscure your view. The only reason the horizon would do that is if the earth were curved, so that if you are standing at two different points your line of sight would be blocked. Who's he? That's because we can only see a few miles to the horizon. That is true if you are talking about seeing the curvature of the horizon, because, as you point out, you can only see a few miles to the edge of the horizon before it drops out of sight. However, when you are looking at buildings that are 500+' high, you can see (the tops of) them 20+ miles away. That is using your formula for how far the horizon is. Again, when you are looking at buildings that are 500+' high and they are slowly sinking below the horizon as you move away, exactly how is "perspective" cause that? If the surface was flat, they buildings would not "sink" below the horizon. The *only* way they would sink below the horizon as you got more miles away from them is because the are sinking under the curve of the Earth. If you were truthfully seeking the truth, you'd see that the answers I ask are from facts that conclusively prove, without photos or video that can be doctored, that the earth is not flat but a sphere. But you do not answer my proofs because you know you have no logical or rational answers, and you are not going to accept that. Because you do not care. If it is something you cared about, you would be examining my proofs and realizing there are no logical or rational answers to the questions they pose to your flat Earth hypothesis. That is false. I (and others) have conclusively proven how the Earth is a sphere, without resorting to pictures of videos. You have utterly failed to even address the proofs I have given. Because you do not care. You watch your silly videos and ignore the facts that contradict them and come up with non-responses like "perspective" when you are asked to address them. To the contrary, I (and others) have proved definitively the Earth is not flat, and I have done so without photos and videos, which of course prove the same thing. That fact that you cannot even address my proofs, much less logically rebut them, proves my point. You started this thread asking: "Can anybody prove beyond any doubt, that the earth is a sphere?" When you were presented with proof of images, you claimed they were all CGI. So fine. I have given you several different proofs that do not rely on photographs or videos. They are all things you (or anyone) can observe yourself even without blasting off in a rocket so you can see the sphere yourself first hand. After presenting you with these numerous proofs, you say you can't even address my proofs, but then amazingly continue to make statements like "And as of now the sphere earth cannot be proven" Because you don't care. You've demonstrated that you have your pre-formed beliefs. You've asked for proof, I've given it to you, and you ignore it because it contradicts your predisposed beliefs. At this point, you've amply demonstrated you are not interested in the truth, and that your belief will trump all facts, evidence, proof and truth to the contrary. It's not that uncommon, really. I see it a lot around here, especially with conservatives.
That's irrelevant. You told me that we can't trust any picture because they're so easy to fake these days. It was your excuse for not providing the proof you claimed to have that the specific picture we were talking about at the time was actually fake. If your rule doesn't apply to video, we could use video from space as evidence. If your rule does apply to video, you can't use it as evidence for a flat Earth either. Which is it?
It's RELIGION I do not believe in. As an Agnostic and follower of the Scientific Method I have an open mind but I also acknowledge the PROBABILITY CALCULATIONS. AA - - - Updated - - - Of course the movies are not real but as I own several properties in Florida I have witnessed many Rocket and Shuttle Launches and I have flown around the world. AA
That picture is fake. But it does not matter to you. You are not going to research or find out for yourself, you rely on what other people say. If I was to tell you that the picture is real, you would say ok. It is only when I tell you that it is fake that you care what I say. That is a perfect definition of bias. And when I got home I checked it out. It is absolutely fake. But that would mean you would have to take my word for it, which you will not do anyways. You are not going to find out yourself. So what is the point? And why do you bother with this thread?
He bothers because what you post is insane. There are very real Universal Physical Laws that must be adhered to and a Flat Earth cannot exist. It is impossible and a fallacy. AA
You keep saying you have given me proof. I do not know how to check past replies, and I already apologized for that. Tell me or show me this proof you have given me that does not include images or videos. Or tell me how I can quickly find what I missed from previous replies. I do not fully understand this site. I keep having to close it out and reopen in order to see new replies. Again I am sorry for being so computer illiterate. I would love to see your proof. Anything that would put this to rest, would most definitely ease my mind.
It's very easy. You can either click on the little double arrow beside my name or click on the page bar at the upper right of the page to go back to prior pages. Here are my posts again: I summarized these proofs into these bullet points: o Why do tall buildings slowly sink under the horizon instead of fade away in the distance? o Why is the horizon curved when you look out the window of an airplane at altitude? o Why is there no edge to the Earth where we observe longer hours of sunlight if it is flat? o Why does Polaris not move in the sky if all the stars revolve around the Earth? o Why does Cassiopeia and the Big Dipper revolve around Polaris and not the Earth if all the heavens revolve around Earth? o Why, without exception, do stars near the Equator make large arcs around the sky while those closer to the poles make small arcs around the pole if the Earth is flat? o Why does the position of Polaris in the sky vary with latitude if the Earth is flat? o Why is there sunlight on only half of the Earth at one time if the Earth is flat? o Do you believe that all rocket launches are a fictions and the scores of thousands involved in one or witnessing one are liars? o Do you believe jet airliners are a fiction and that everyone who has flown in one and observed the curvature of the earth (and no edge) are liars? If after reading my post you do not understand the proof, let me know and I will endeavor to explain it better for you.
