The Emerging Religion of Wokeness

Let's try it another way:

Why do Woke-ists claim disadvantage for minorities? There is only one premise, as you know. They believe that WHITE people are up at the top, preventing minorities from getting ahead.

The statistics prove that that is utter bullsh!t. Even if that kind of dominance were real, it would clearly not be in the hands of whites. IOW the entire premise of white oppression of minorities, is revealed as a lie.

 

I agree with you on this point. I think all people who need help should get help.


A lot of people who are against colour blindness are against it because they feel that when you are blind to colour you are blind to their situation and the collective challenges shared by people in their culture group. For example, most African American people will agree that there is tension between the black community and the police.

‘Do you agree that there is tension between the black community and the police? If you do, how is that tension relieved if the unique challenges of the African American community are ignored because we don’t see colour?

 

You keep saying the statistics clearly prove that there are no disadvantages for minorities. I am saying that is not clear to me. Perhaps you would make better progress if you showed me your statistics and your interpretation of the statistics. I see the median income for a black family being $19000 less than a white person. To me that, in addition to the incarceration rate, infant mortality rate, etc (I made a list for earlier), is significant cause for concern. Explain it like I’m an imbecile.

Also, is it only woke-ists that claim that minorities are disadvantaged? Is that the definition of woke to you? “A wokeist is a person who claims that minorities are disadvantaged”.

 

I find it troublesome that you refer to "whites" and "minorities" as if they are separate categories of human beings and in competition with one another as those groupings.

I don't feel any tribal affiliation with anybody based on skin tone.

 

The stats show that whites are in second place. First place means you're at the top, second place means you're not at the top.

Those who claim that systemic oppression of minorities is a result of white primacy, have convinced themselves that whites are in the number one position in the pecking order. Their entire premise is predicated on that belief - the whole thing, regardless of which ethnicity or culture the umbrella of 'minority' covers. They're not invested in the fine details of the African migrant experience, or the Korean American experience, or the Hispanic experience etc .. they're invested in the idea that WHITES HOLD THE TOP SPOT, and that that impacts those under the 'minority' umbrella negatively.

Once you remove that piece of untruth from the equation - their entire argument collapses. It's nothing more than a lie built upon ancient history, and perpetuated for some kind of gain.

 

Neither do I. I'm playing devil's advocate.

I'm 100% for colourblindness .. and always will be.

 

Only because they, not I, are being racist about it. I view them as individuals, not as representatives of some collective group that I, and often they themselves, don't agree with the grouping together of for disparate treatment.

Even black police officers, with black police commissioners working under black mayors, in a country that had a black president, eh?

This is a double edged sword being swung around, when we should be using shields.

The Black Lives Matter racists enflame and push for this tension and this narrative just as much as racist police officers do.

First, it isn't unique. BLM racists want you to think the police are all unquely racist against black people. They aren't. There are racial tensions all across the board. Some are racist against hispancis, some against first nations people, and even a few against white people. The root problem is the racism, not the partcular race.

Police brutality is a major problem, especially in the USA, and pretending it is only about people all hating black people only makes that problem worse. Celebrating thugs who are taken down by police officers, and pretending it is police brutality even when it isn't, just because the perp is black, is a problem. Ignoring police brutality on people who are not black, just to swing the statistics to drum up BLM support is also a problem.

Also, I think it should be pointed out that prejudice against males is much stronger than prejudice against black skin when it comes to police brutality and groundless domestic abuse charges The black male who is unfairly harassed by the police is facing stronger anti-male than anti-black bias. And if he's attacked by a woman, black or white, he's the one going to jail if he calls the police.

Racial, gender, sexual orientation bias all exists and are all problems that need to be solved. We won't do away with prejudice by pushing more of it.

 

That's not my complete definition of being "Woke", but is a claim of prejudice and racism.

"Minorities" are not a monolith that you can declare "disadvantaged". There are plenty of extremely priviliged people who qualify under "minorities".

I find it extremely tiresome that the so called "anti-racists" are so racist, to the point that I can switch instantly from "disadvantaged" to "advantaged" in their view based on if I have my sunglasses on or off.

If they are on, all these people see is my very dark skin. But then I take them off, and they see my clearly asian eyes. Poof, there go all my points on the progressive stack. And all of this without knowing anything about who I actually am as a person.

You can't tell if I am rich or poor, smart or stupid, nice or mean, violent or a pacifist, just based on my race. And no amount of statistical average tables are going to change that, no matter how much they are twisted or massaged.

 

So, since Asian families tend to have a higher median income than white families it erases the legacy of slavery for African Americans? It doesn’t sound right to me.

Anyway it does point out a possible bias in the way the data earlier was presented. You have four categories, Asian, non-Hispanic white people, Hispanic, and black. The non-white category is broken up into three groups and white is one group.


‘if you broke down ‘white’ into some cultures would you find some underdeveloped minority there? I honestly don’t know. It seems like someone had to separate Asian from African American though to make sure the difference was obvious.

I have to confess that I can get a bit nit picky about the term “white”. To me cultures are more important than race. I’m white, yeah but more importantly I’m British on my father’s side and Métis/Northern European on my mother’s side. The word “white” strips a person of culture and makes us all into a meaningless blob. In fact when I talk about my Métis ancestry, which I can trace back a couple hundred years, some people laugh at me. “Are you 1/32 Cherokee?”they laugh. TBH my Métis ancestry is kind of important to me, but it’s cool. I can see the humour in it too. I mean I’m not forming a committee or something. I just think culture is more important than race. If I defined myself I would probably say I believe in multiculturalism I guess. I’m Canadian, I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world (Vancouver), I have a wife who is a POC and half my friends are POC.

 

I'm also Canadian, and live in an even more multicultural area (Toronto). I have no ancestors who would qualify as "white". I do have some friends who would, but I don't think of them as white and myself as "POC". I find "POC" pretty insulting frankly. A race based term invented by woke racists do divide white people from non-white people, grouping all the non-white people together as "POC" to separate them from the white people, and using "coloured" as part of that term.

That "People of Colour" is considered PC, and "Coloured People" is considered racist is absolutely laughable to me. "POC" thinking is just the new politically correct form of racism being pushed. We need to end this madness.

 

Yeah true. My wife is Fijian

 

It really depends a lot on luck in the places we live. I’m white - I don’t know about white a an imperial swine, I Ishtar be pushing it little there - In Connecticut I lived for 35 years in a majority black community and, except on rare occasions, did not experience racism.

 

There's a couple things I'm seeing crop up as religions.

Work is one, the social justice religion. Veganism definitely seems to have a religious bent to it. Climate people. The most recent one seems to be covidism.

I'm glad to hear liberal atheist types calling this out thank you

 

I've also made that observation of the term "people of color." It's basically meaningless since it divides the world up into two groups, white and non white, and everyone, all 7 billion, who fall in the POC category, have more in common with each other than with whites.

Laughably untrue but language matters and those terms tend to redefine how we discuss these issues.

 

Ah yes the Branch Covidians! A scary bunch.

 

Don’t forget anti-vaxers and anti-maskers.

 

This is from 2016 so the data is bit old. You would be hard pressed to find a detached home for less than $1 million anywhere on this map today.
https://betterdwelling.com/city/van...eems to be the distribution of those races.#_

Anyway Vancouver breaks the norms, the most valuable property here is owned by ethnic minorities except in Vancouver itself and White Rock.

 

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They are out there! Had an incident when I worked at a private event, a job fair, that called for masks. After attempting to hand a free mask to a man and explaining that our private event called for a mask he walked out in a huff. Not the best job applicant in my opinion...

However, regarding vaccines, I think people who are for freedom of choice and against forced jabs, are often labeled with the the "anti vaccine" label. I'm one of those ...a person that believes the vaccine is beneficial but not willing to force it on anyone. Yet I am "anti vac" according to some that worship the vaccine itself.

 

My understanding is the Chinese are buying up Vancouver. Is that true? More rich immigrants from afar rather than home grown wealth?

 

Well the story is that organized crime from China uses Vancouver real estate to launder money. The government is supposed to be cracking down on it. They don’t seem to be doing that well. In 2018 my assessed value went down a bit but overall, since 2015 my property has increased by 50% in assessment value and I am sure would currently sell for twice what it would have in 2015.

It’s not all about the Asian 1% though. I live in Surrey where the majority of homes are owned by south Asian people. I think Chinese people tend to own a lot of the condos but it’s South Asians who own the majority of the detached housing.

 

Yeah I mean I call myself vegan for lack of a better term but it’s not a religion.

 

Being vegan is not itself a religion. But it is a component of many religions, and it itself can and sometimes is turned into a religion, complete with dogma thou shalt not question, preaching, etc. I think that's the minority of vegans and is definitely the minority of vegetarians.

 

I've known Vegans who don't evangelize...its their personal preference. Actually enjoy some Vegan dishes due to them. Honey does attract more then vinegar.

 

Well there are those vegans who will infiltrate a slaughterhouse to show how inhumane it is or who protest outside a butcher shop.Those are your militant religious vegans. I don’t really like to make a big deal out of it in real life. I hate when you go to a restaurant and everyone at the table worries if you are going to find what you need. It’s embarrassing. Or when the waitress can’t figure it out and has a thousand questions. Just leave out the animals and the sugar and the oils thanks! I want to get it up when I’m 90.