The European Paper Tigers

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  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    From the guy who has trained more staff officers than anybody in the world. When Dunnigan talks war-fighting capabilities most heads of state listen. Hussein Obama, of course, does not care.

    http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/A-European-Tragedy-5-18-2014.asp

    As I keep telling you guys, NATO (and by extension the EU) is militarily helpless now that Hussein Obama has neutered US forces. Putin can run wild and there is nothing to stop him but Russian inertia.
     
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    This may be true about NATO, but Putin does not "run wild", as we can see. He remains remarkably quiet, watching the Maidans in Kiev.
     
  3. Taxcutter

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    Taxcutter says:
    Putin is having trouble getting the torpid bear to wake up.

    When he does, there is nothing to stop them before they hit Cap Finisterre.
     
  4. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no doubt the Euros are little more than Paper Tigers.
    America had to manage the air war in Libya because the Euros crashed jets due to incompetence.
    Ukraine. The Black Sea. A very nice area for the Euros to stand up on their hind legs and leave America out of it.
    The Euros need a military leg stretcher.
    Let them take :flagcanada: with them.


    Moi :oldman:




    No :flagcanada:
     
  5. zmajce77

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    To be honest,without nuclear power,I doubt any of NATO states could do any damage to Russia...Off course,neither Russia could do some damage to USA.But Russia could do much damage to EU NATO members...In peace prepared for war!!!
     
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    Hmm, Europe does not claim to be a tiger, not even a paper tiger, Europe is a self-admitted, spineless pacifist impotent (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) cat and proud of it. That being said Putin is terrified of economic sanctions...The Chinese are more than willing to buy his gas....for half the price of what Europe is paying. And without the West he won't even have the technology to extract it or build the pipeline to China.
     
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    Please explain how Obama has neutered US forces?
    How a military with a $650B budget can be neutered is beyond comprehension, unless that $650B is mostly boondoggle and the military leadership is an incompetent kaffeklatsch.


    And if most heads of state listen to this author, then why haven't they done anything about his analysis and opinions?


    I do agree that if the Russians were to launch a surprise conventional attack on the baltic states, NATO would have an initital challenge because the liklihood of such an attack is remote and generally reserved to the stuff of Clancy novels. (red storm rising was excellent)

    Of course the EU's aggregate defence budget is slightly more than double that of Russia (the US military budet is more than 6 times larger). And you can bet your bottom dollar that there would be a hugely different and aggressive response from NATO if Putin tried to invade a member nation.
     
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    Europe doesn't need to have an army , when required we just call the dog who also pays for everything .
     
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    I am afraid you have misread a paper. It was about weak European military, not about American. American military should be cut back. America should stop to mend in other countries and continents affairs. Let weak Europeans to defend themselves, let them to spend money on military. America, overspending on military compared to other countries, makes itself worse off.
     
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    Wow, you have spies in Kremlin; they tell you all the prices…
     
  11. Pred

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    The world would have a complete hissy fit if we suddenly said, whoops, sorry can't help you. They'll (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and moan to our faces how much we suck, then BEG for our help when they need it, then (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and moan if they don't get it....liked spoiled children.
     
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    ...says who??

    The USA and Canada are in an economical desaster like Greece and you tell such think inhere?

    Who will pay the american big bill by the way? China?
     
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    If you try to read a little you’ll find out that Germany is more in debt than US is. I think it’s funny.
     
  14. Fabien

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    I think you are a woman in the sense that a woman does always says no when she does mean yes (ok, idiots do say so) and the other way around.

    I mean Germany has 0 probs to pay it's officiers...unlike the USA.

    What is the Rating of the USA now? AA or allready B? Germany is still triple AAA. ;-) guess why...
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Hussein Obama disbanded roughly a third of the Army. Only ten brigades are battle-ready. Two carriers are alongside at Norfolk awaiting refueling with no funding for that refueling in sight. The Air Force has lost all its F-15C and F-15D air superiority fighters to age and Hussein Obama shut down the F-22 line. Ergo no replacements. The fast attack submarine force is dwindling away as Reagan-era 688 boats are scrapped and insufficient Virginia-class replacement are being built.

    No troops, no planes, no ships = no force projection.

    Ukraine, eastern Europe and indeed all of Europe are on their own if Putin can defibrillate the torpid bear.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Europe must look to its own defense. Hussein Obama gutted the US armed forces to pay for free stuff for moochers.
     
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    I guess n your world technology, increased firepower and combat effectiveness do not compensate for numbers.

    Why should there be more than 10 battle ready brigades when the war in Afghanistan is winding down?
    Why should there be billions invested in manned fighter jets when drones are the way of the future?

    You think obsolete armament in quantity can be effective against superior firepower of new technologies?

    Its like saying the air force doesn't have 1/10th the number of bombs it did in WW2 so they have been "gutted".

    Ah the mind of the warmonger. Overkill is never enough.
     
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    In war, there is no such thing as overkill.
     
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    NATO and the EU have been militarily helpless against Russia for at least 4 decades... Just a Russia is militarily helpless against NATO.

    This fact has zero to do with Obama. Living in the fantasy world "we can somehow achieve military superiority" is one of the major reason why we are on the decline and will continue to decline further unless more people wake up.
     

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