The Gov won't save our nation? The Gov is going to bail out FLorida

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    A wall will never work as long as prohibition is law of the land. Far too much opportunity for profit. What's comical though is its probably going to be those immigrants doing all the rebuilding for low wages the states going to depend on.
    What could you and 20 others do with $12 million besides hitch a ride to Martha's Vineyard, Still a good use of state funds in your opinion?

    Attacking privite business with government, going after Disney specifically. But speaking of the underlined irrational fear, what statistic has that bill addressed anyway?
     
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    You have a weird view of what "for profit" is about. For profit is about far more than just shareholders. You think an individual doctor who runs their own private clinic has to worry about shareholders? No, he doesn't. For profit simply is about making money. And non-profit organizations aren't actually "non-profit". They are simply organizations that are not considered corporations. In fact feel free to point to a single "non-profit" organization who doesn't have rich people controlling it...even when they initially started out poor or even middle class.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    The doctors income is based on his practice, so even with UHC, a doctor can still rake in massive profit. Pretending like medicine needs to operate at a for profit formula is a failed excuse to not consider UHC.
     
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    I find it hilarious using a couple hundred Migrants to clean up after a hurricane to justify a Million illegal migrants sitting around Texas costing tax payers upto $100 Billion per year, lol.

    As far as the wall is concerned, a wall would be very effective stemming the tide of a million walking across the border. With a wall, there would be a leak instead of an overwhelming flood.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Except the majority come through the designated entry points now...
    The ones that commit crimes are the problem, and those are the ones that are invited in on this side so we can buy their product. A wall won't prevent those types as long as there is profit to be made.

    End prohibition, and that would more then pay that $100 billion a year. Prohibition is far more expensive. Florida has its flood of dealers comming by ocean, want a wall there too?
     
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    Bad example to point to for supporting UHC. It costs millions of dollars to do that R&D to come up with those medications. More often than not failing. They have to make up those millions somehow.

    Just an FYI for future reference....I support UHC.
     
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    End prohibition and the entire country could turn into a hellhole of crime from homeless camps like what is happening in San Francisco and Portland. Making hard drugs legal does nothing but kill people. There has to be a more feasible solution and stemming the tide from a full on flood of a million people crossing the border into a more responsible wall with legal vetting up to a million each year would make things more workable in reducing criminal activities. Legalizing drugs won't make South and Central America stop bringing drugs in, it would explode the drug trade making the Cartels even more powerful.

    It is so easy for liberals to justify these issues sitting behind a computer in their nice upper middle class neighborhoods. I have lived in the hood and know the mentality of the lower class first hand as I lived in Shacktown Detroit growing up. Some of what Liberals try to do works great while other ideas are complete ass backwards moronic ideas perpetrated by rich people who have absolutely no idea the mindset of those on the lower spectrum. Ass backwards logic.
     
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    I think you should critique the Biden Administration and its apparent close ties with communist China since China is the country willing to finance and take over much of the infrastructure of your country Brazil.
     
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    I really meant the medical practice.
    And they do get subsidies as well don't they, so still not really a bad argument since it's tax dollars that support alot of that R&D.
    But I see your point.
     
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    Sounds like you support authoritarian style government then.
    Alcohol is worse than any of those illegal drugs, the ones that did the most damage were the legal ones prescribed. Sugar is far worse as well.

    What makes you think more R&D won't go into making things like blow more productive, etc. Sorry that's just a failed speculation on your part.
     
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    R&D and pharmaceutical industry has been in private hands in UHC countries.
     
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    Bill Maher is a ****ing idiot left-libertarian who oxymoronically cares about what the people think except when it comes to economy, er, when it comes to socialism. Maher loves socialism. Maher's hero is Franklin Delano Roosevelt who did more to destroy capitalism in the US than any other president.:roll:

    Maher has listed all the neocons, all the authoritarians, in the GOP who call Trump names. Problem is, Trump is a conservative and neocons (and Maher) aren't conservatives...Er, Maher is a conservative except when it comes to economy.:roll:
     
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    I am against Big Government as well, but am for Law and Order. What is going on in NYC with the No Bail Laws is doing nothing but embolding the criminal element of mankind. People are running around attacking other people with no repurcussoins. People want to be safe and allowing criminals to run free committing crimes against humanity with ZERO rehabilitation does absolutely nothing for society. What we need is massive Rehabilitation centers for all criminals at varying levels where people learn to reintegrate back into society instead of just letting them walk out the door after committing crimes. Prison should only be for the violent offenders mainly. The rest can go to Rehab for years at a time until psychologists determine they are safe to be around others and learn to be more responsible. In some parts of the country, it is hard to even get a GED while in Prison. That needs to change. Make prison more rehabilitation centers where people learn skills.

    But, under no condition should criminals be allowed to waltz into the country or attack other citizens then be out on the streets hours later. We are witnessing the decline of civilization devolve into Idiocracy at a fast pace.
     
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    Your analysis of the no bail situation is off.
    You do realize criminals were released back onto to the streets anyway. Bail never prevented that.

    Alot of times poor people were used as scapegoats couldn't make bail and were held even though they were innocent. By the time they get out, they lost their jobs, car, housing, everything.

    Ending prohibition could allow us to use those tax dollars to build and improve such rehabilitation centers. Ones that actually rehabilitate.

    If someone is for smaller government then body autonomy and liberty are non negotiable, prohibition violates both.
     
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    I know. It is a cast-iron fact that Democrats are guilty of everything from wetter winters to smaller McDonalds hamburgers.
    Perhaps you might pause and not write the script for the millions of those who vote differently than you do, which they have every right to do so.
    I keep telling the radio when our new PM goes on about growth and working harder longer.
    As long as you are earning enough to cater for your needs, stop telling people how to live their lives and expecting them to grind away every day to provide an unelected government what they want.
    Servitude to masters stopped years ago.
    IOW if I was content to live in a tent and use food banks, then leave me alone and stop the guilt trip to make me work more. IMO there is more to life than feeding the government 's coffers according to THEIR priorities.
     
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    1) The government can't save our nation.

    2) The American people are going to "bail out" Florida.

    My work here is done....
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your comment lacks coherence.

    Please detail and substantiate.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Comment dismissed: weasel words are not a merit worthy argument.

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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    the 'government' and 'we the people' are one and the same.

    Now move along
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In what universe is that true?
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm back to remind you that the American people will be paying to "bail out" Florida, not the government.
     
  22. dairyair

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    LOL. you seem to know little about the welfare system.

    Per the map in the link I provide. Red states have a large share of welfare recipients. MAGA Land.

    Welfare Recipients by State 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)
     
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    Nope, you will have a lot of MAGA red states whining.

    Welfare Recipients by State 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)
     
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    So you don't vote?
     
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    In every election.

    We have a government "by the people and for the people". In no place does it say "is the people".
     
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