The hearings start today

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    We're not all Democrats, some of us think for ourselves and don't need to be spoon fed our opinions.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    Yea the police moved out of the way for her and made no attempt to stop her and not the police don't have fully automatic AR-15's and they also caring TASERS and handguns and pepper spray and they have their own hands they could have stopped her.

    Why didn't any of the officers on her side of the door even tell her to stop or use any force let alone LETHAL force to stop her?

    And we have you on record now saying that protestors and rioters can be simply shot to stop them..............gotcha.
     
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    Doesn't make it any less than it is. And when you have security....................why wasn't all the extra beefed up security that was requested and offered not there that day? Answer me that.
     
  4. LangleyMan

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    I'm sure he wanted to help the UAW, but that doesn't mean letting GM go to Chapter 7 would not have fatally damaged a number of parts suppliers essential for nonunion car companies.

    He cut a sweetheart deal with the union that provided pensions averaging $4000+ a month. Fault him for that.
    "General welfare" covers it. The way you think, the Constitution would become a straightjacket.
    They aren't second tier parts suppliers.
     
  5. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    As you've been told, act like she did in a riot and you may get shot. Why should police risk getting injured or killed in situations where people are extremely violent?
     
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    How were the cops supposed to know she was unarmed?
    She isn't be prosecuted, so that should tell you something.
     
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    "Miley Cyrus To Perform Halftime Show At Jan. 6 Committee Hearings | The Babylon Bee

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—The nation is abuzz with anticipation of the televised January 6 Committee hearing making its prime time debut at 8 p.m. ET. To top off the excitement of the House select committee's investigation, producers of the star-studded extravaganza have announced that Miley Cyrus will be the featured performer during the hearing's halftime show.

    Other performers during the bedazzling spectacle will include Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, Demi Lovato, and the ghost of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    "If you thought the Depp-Heard trial was exciting, wait until you get a load of this baby," said James Goldston, a former ABC News executive hired by the Democrat-led committee to really "wow" the American people with a multimedia presentation aimed at objectively and judiciously seeking the truth of what really happened that fateful day.

    Republican lawmakers have pounced on the House select committee, accusing them of putting on a politicized, narrative-driven stunt rather than seeking truth. In response, GOP lawmakers have sworn to make their own January 6 Committee with cool, Republican members, lots of American flags, and a concert on Mt. Rushmore featuring Toby Keith and Morgan Wallen.

    The January 6 Committee said the opening ceremony of the hearing will include previously-unseen video footage of the Capitol riots, followed by a ritual burning of Trump in effigy."

    Eventually January 6 will be a national holiday. :cheerleader:
     
  8. gringo

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    You are correct in saying the committee cannot press criminal charges ..and the committee is NOT attempting to press charges

    the committee is presenting evidence to the attorney general and department of justice and American people to use when deciding if trumps actions were criminal ..like I said. This is a first in our countries history to have a president try to stop the counting of the votes ..the government wants to leave no stone unturned

    in your opinion trump did nothing wrong and was completely justified in his actions on january 6th

    my opinion is trump is guilty of many crimes during his entire presidency and the crimes on january 6th should be punished with jail time

    but.

    your opinion and my opinion do not matter

    it will be the opinion of the AG and the DOJ that matters

    then a grand jury will decide if criminal charges are justified and trump can then attempt to defend the evidence brought by the committee

    This is how the justice system works ..and justice works slowly

    thankfully the constitution has a system of justice and not a system of revenge

    the democrats are not seeking revenge. They are seeking justice
     
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    They're collectivists.
    An absurd characterization.
    Why on earth would you believe them when the claim is ridiculous? Cuba is a police state.
    Now, you're claiming Obama is a fascist? :roflol:
    OMG. Another cuckoo story.
    This is cuckoo stuff. Where in earth do you get these screwy ideas?
    What difference does it make?
     
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    Yeah, sure.
     
  11. LangleyMan

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    You're spouting nonsense.
     
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    Really?
     
  13. LangleyMan

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    Huh?
     
  14. LangleyMan

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    Really.
     
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    Not in this life, There is nothing even remotely unconstitutional about a Congressional committee conducting an investigation.
    The legal challenges were within his rights. Trying to delay certification by instigating a riot was not.
    The rioters didn't have to be in "cahoots," just pushed to actions Trump would find useful for his purposes.
     
  16. LangleyMan

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    The officer has the legal right to use deadly force when threatened with serious bodily harm.
     
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    A man of few words and no rebutthole.
     
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    who authorized the use of deadly force?
     
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    Who was threatening him with imminent serious bodily harm? What weapon had he seen in her hand? She didn't even know he was there. Why did the officers on her side of the door see this imminent threat and shoot her, you keep avoiding the fact there were officers who had a clear view of her and they did not use lethal force in fact NO FORCE.

    Who authorized the use of deadly force against the rioters. Who told him to stand that ground and use deadly force?
     
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    You did here

    He didn't instigate a riot to stop the procedure that insured his legal challenge would not be heard.

    Oh yes you do have to prove that if you are going to charge Trump with a crime. If you are going to charge Trump with a crime they sure do else let's charge Schumer with instigating the attempted murder of Justice of the SCOTUS.

    The Dems had their impeachment where they showed all the video's and brought all the officers to testify. Why are they doing it part deux? Where is the opposing view? Where are ALL the videos and police reports some of which Pelosi refuses to release? Where are her notes and emails and her testimony about the decisions made in the days leading up concerning the security warnings they were getting and offers of additional security including by TRUMP HIMSELF? Seems to me if you are planning to overthrow the government by taking control of the Capital you don't offer and urge the Mayor of DC and DC police and the Capital leadership National Guard troops for additional security.
     
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    Yes an unconstitutional criminal investigation. The DOJ conducts such investigations NOT a partisan congressional committee. This would not have been the first time members of Congress challenged slates of electors to have them replaced by the state legislatures which is what Trump was seeking.

    Stop trying to put words and opinions in my mouth. I said the day of the event he should never have held the rally that day, he should have held it a few days before and then waited for his legal challenges in the Congress. The riot shutdown those legal challenges because Congress had to temporarily end the session.

    If Trump is guilty of a crime that is the role of the DOJ. This has been the largest federal criminal investigation in the history of the country. More US Attorney's and FBI agents and States AG's than any in history. Over 800 people charged. Has any of those best investigative agencies and top prosecutors across this country charged any one in the Trump White House with a crime committed on Jan 6 or the days before?

    And you think this idiot bunch of partisan members of Congress will? Hey I'm still waiting for all the concrete evidence Schiff claimed he had that PROVED Trump was a Russian agent.
    but.

    What they waiting on?

    What grand jury? What criminal charges is the DOJ bringing what investigation do they even have based on what probable cause? And you certainly do appear to be thankful we have a constitutional system of separate of powers and a system of justice that is NOT run by partisan elected officials but sworn officers of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. Courts seek justice not a partisan Congress seeking vengeance.

    If you are concerned about the Constitution and our system of justice and rights of the citizens then you should be joining we me in calling to an end to the taxpayer funded propaganda show. It has one purpose, to try and ensure Trump will not run again and the Dems to try and save their arse's in the midterms, you have noted how the are fallacious trying to paint all Republicans as having supported the riot?
     
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    Since when, lethal force requires an IMMINENT threat of lethal force or serious bodily harm. Why didn't the police in all that BLM/Antifa riots just line up and fire on those rioters. Why was Babbitt the only one shot Jan 6?

    AGAIN why didn't the officers on her side of the door with a clear view use lethal force?

    WHO ORDER USE OF LETHAL FORCE and why don't we know?
     
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    Congress is following the instruction on Mr Kentucky Moscow Mitch Mconnell



    I doubt anybody will spend 20 minutes listening to the above speech by McConnell

    But why get mad at the democrats for doing what Mcconnell suggests??

    And yes. Ole Mitch is the perfect politician. He changed his tune a few days after this speech

    He cannot tell the truth
     
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    Where did he get the constitutional authority to side with one set of workers and investors against other workers and investors using ALL of their money, the taxpayer money. And GM went bankrupt ANYWAY cost the taxpayer BILLIONS. Does GM still exist? Yes.

    Oh geez not that uninformed argument again. The Tax and Spend clause deals with the general welfare of the United States of America, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. It authorizes the federal government to pass taxes and duties to fund it's constitutional obligations and debts. It is not about welfare for corporations or workers.

    The aluminum plant will be a tier three supplier just as the steel mills I dealt with, I was a maintenance supplier to all of them. What's your point?
     
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    Well yeah we learned more about what had happened and how it transpired in the days following including the fact it was a mostly spontaneous riot that broke out of the mostly peaceful march to the capital and in fact most of those who entered the capital weren't violent and just walked through and left.
     

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