The Left Have Shot Themselves In The Foot

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm pointing out the factual matter that most people have a misunderstanding about the goals of the misnamed "defund the police" movement. Furthermore, I'm pointing out those who understand what the goals are support them. https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...nding-the-police-more-than-the-slogan-itself/
    Finally, I'm pointing out the fraudulent nature of your OP.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Proving nothing except that right wing propaganda has been successful.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

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    However, “defund the police” is also a simplistic slogan, and the poll results above do not capture public opinion on the movement’s more concrete policy goals. Specifically, defunding the police is only half of its goal; activists also want to reallocate the money spent on policing to other parts of the social safety net. Indeed, in those very same polls, some of these policy ideas enjoy far more backing among the American public than the slogan does — though the level of support does vary pretty widely depending on the details of the proposal.

    For instance, when Reuters/Ipsos queried people about “proposals to move some money currently going to police budgets into better officer training, local programs for homelessness, mental health assistance, and domestic violence,” a whopping 76 percent of people who were familiar with those proposals supported them, with only 22 percent opposed. Democrats and independents supported these proposals in huge numbers while Republicans were split, 51 percent in favor to 47 percent opposed.
     
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    Its not about ownership; its the right to bear arms. Using the "boil the frog" method, they have successfully robbed good citizens of their second amendment rights. I live in Los Angeles and only a lucky few can get a CCW. Only cops, judges, and criminals carry guns here.
     
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    So you believe someone that would break murder/rape laws would honor gun laws?
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    Just because the right given to members of an organized militia to possess muskets has been distorted beyond recognition in many places doesn't mean other citizens have been robbed of anything.
     
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    How do you know they are armed?
     
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    Your distortion is incorrect.
     
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    You don't know until they commit murder. The killer did know that his victim would be unarmed. Thats the advantage gun laws give to killers.
     
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    So if the rapist comes up behind the unfortunate victim and pulls out his gun and shoots & kills her, how good did that gun do for her?
     
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    Look at how far you had to reach to make a point! Knowing that there are guns in the hands of good people helped her long before the killer made the decision to harm others. Gun laws only give killers an advantage.
     
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    How about an answer to my question? What good does the gun do her if he walks up behind her and pulls the trigger on his gun ??
     
  13. jcarlilesiu

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    Correlation does not equal causation.

    Is your claim really that America's crime rate is tied to availability of guns?

    Be careful how you answer that, because you probably aren't going to like when I post statistics that prove it wrong.
     
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    I'm not sure what's so difficult in understanding that lots of things, including fists, can be a deadly weapon. Your bias against guns prevents you from seeing this simple reality.
     
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    That's a stupid comparison. It's like saying "what's the point in having airbags if they don't deploy or save the passengers life 100% of the time"
     
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    The left will NEVER admit it.

    They will always blame the circumstance that leads to poverty, crime, and destitute on some external force, never their own policies.
     
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    You argue that you and 5 of your lefty friends own guns. Then spend post after post talking about why people shouldn't have guns.

    Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing, or do you actually hold a position?
     
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    Research the cities that deflected money from policing to social programs and let us know what the crime rate doing. You can deny it, spin it, and deflect from it all you want, but what you can't do is change facts.
     
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    So we should disarm police since someone can shoot them from behind?
     
  20. independentthinker

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    The proof is understood by voters. If you want to bury your head in the sand regarding that, feel free. I highly encourage you to do that.
     
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    Leftist policies have led to increased crime, which is turning blue states red.
     
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    The solution to that is for lefties to quit watching Fox News. If lefties quit watching Fox News, they would go out of business.
     
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    There are many circumstances which do lead to poverty that could be addressed and I don't have a problem with that as long as it is not Woke, BUT, the left will have to admit that one of those circumstances is lazy ass people who get used to living off of the government. When the government gives incentives to not work instead of giving incentives to work, we don't make any progress. And, many leftist policies lead to more crime. When you make the police out to be the bad guys and put up statues and murals to criminals, it sends the wrong message and leads to increased crime. And, in the very area where George Floyd was killed which turned into a police free zone for a while, black residents themselves begged the police to come back. Even 911 was afraid to go into the areas.
     
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    How about an answer as opposed to a question??
     
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    In your scenario, she would be dead and he would not be a rapist. Should we disarm police?
     

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