The Left's newfound interest in the Constitution, and why it's important.

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  1. TomFitz

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    Then why did you support a man whose every public pronouncement screams isolationism.

    The United States is a world power. Things Trump has already said and done have deminished that symbolically, and put the world on notice that American leadership is fleeting and fading.
     
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    Donald Trump placed his hand on a bible. The last time he did that was when he reached into a hotel drawer looking for something to spank a ho with!
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

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    Because the Old World order was already collapsing with or without Donald Trump. Merkel's EU decided in all of its ignorant intelligence(note I used the word ignorance) to stir up Ukraine. Which led to Putin's annexation of Crimea. And now has resulted in the stalemate between the Europeans and the Russians, who each accuse the other of being an aggressor.

    The whole point of NATO, the Marshal Plan(and even the UN itself) was to find resolutions without conflict. And by and large to maintain peace between Europe and the Eurasian States. And I'll give it credit: For half a century, it worked! Now, why the EU did what they did, is something to ask them. But in my opinion, Europeans betrayed the alliance.

    As a result of their betrayal, we as a continent faced a new cold war that would become hot very quickly. In layman terms, the 'benefits' to policing the world were quickly being outweighed by their negatives, even for many conservative voters. It's not that I'm a putin-buddy boy. I just want the US to avoid nuclear war.

    When we armed Neo-Nazi separatists, that's another dark blow on our image. Pre-Trump BTW. It's not that entering WW2 was the right thing. A: Lend-Lease ended up bankrupting the British Empire. That was more important than any shot we ever fired. And it's not so much the arms race that ended up breaking up the Soviets, but the Soviet expansion itself collapsed on its own internal weight.

    No differently, then our own country is collapsing on the weight of its political ignorance right now! The 'New American Century' was robbed from us by neo-con ignorance on arming proxy states and believing irrational actors would remain US allies. And then the hollowing out of trade completed the self-destruction, the nihilist end of the so-called democratic America.

    Our story will go "How to create and ruin an Empire" by the United States of America. Trump is the last howl of a power that self-destructed far before he came onto the scene. Now, we must focus on fixing the country to survive a 21st and 22nd century where competing powers benefited from the gutting of the US economy and will spread their economic and military influence.

    Asia and other countries were basically able to turn the US playbook against us, while we squabbled in our ignorance. It's our fault, plurally as a nation. R and D.
     
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    Very strange ... when all those folks who beat on the so called left with the constitution are suddenly beaten by constitution by the left too, eh?
    Sometimes things can have an echo earlier or later ... :roll:
     
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    you blame democrats, too funny, my way or the highway Bush and his fellow republicans "your either with us or against us" ... then there is the shenanigans under Obama

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    The first 2 links are NOT "opinion pieces by leftie rags". I challenge you to acquire third-party access to ANYONE'S transcripts.
     
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    He was the friggin' president! He claims to have done all of the great things during his college years...the problem is, NO ONE remembers him!
     
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    I gave you 3 links; if you can't follow them, don't waste my time further.
     
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    LOL. Really? You lost me at "The Daily Koz". They're not links to proof, they're links that did exactly what you did...made claims.
     
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    The first 2 I intentionally posted since they were "non-leftist" links and reputable sources.
     
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    Keep believing.
     
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    First of all, Trump is the executive branch not legislative. That's Congress.

    Second, they weren't trying to set up an Empire. They were trying to set up a Constitutional Republic, and they warned several times against empire and endless wars. That's why, for example, Congress is meant to declare war.

    What you're talking about is something akin to the Roman Empire with Julius Caesar. No thanks.
     
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    1) My apologies, when typing up an essay of this caliber, I tend to mix thoughts. I'm fully aware, be rest assured of our current system of government. The point stands, the Left is only interested in the Constitution as a weapon against Donald Trump, an impervious weapon at that that can't be challenged. At least, insofar as the Left actually has a constitutional point and not assumptions on what the document actually is.

    2)And the Republic collapsed. It is not Imperial Power itself that brings about endless wars, what brings about endless wars is human greed, human stupidity and often times colluding interests. With the Empire, that power is concentrated, the voices of the many become the voices of the few. With a clear viewpoint, the Empire is capable of making decisions on the behest of its citizens.

    As opposed to the flailing democracy, or its lesser version, the modern day plutocracy under 1% big banks. The Imperial State, is connected with its citizens, derives its authority from the citizens and only when acting on that authority is the State legitimate. If what I'm talking bout will be akin to the Roman Empire(or to Atlantis as I mentioned), then we would have achieved remarkable progress.

    I see no reason to want to hold to an antiquated, collapsed political view of America if only to romantically hold onto the Framers dream that they would realize today to be impossible.
     
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    And that's where we differ. Haha

    We were cold took over. Hopefully taking the nation back will be as cold.

    We were infiltrated at a time when it was long distance to call 5 miles away.

    The Constitution, since inception, was only as strong as the public was educated. The framers said so themselves.

    If we became too dumb for it to function correctly, that is just another case of proving them right. Not the contrary.

    Mind you, when true control is back in the hands of the people (a marker not of temporary power, but traitors exiled, fleeing or jailed - with massive exposure of truth), then we will obviously need a new constitutional convention to fill the gaps that allowed the infiltration, as well as the bogus legislation that came with.
     
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    If that's the case, then it's all the more reason not to give too much political power to the masses. Originally, this was the intent of the Senate. However, the Senate does not act in this manner(or rather, government doesn't act in this manner because of the Democratic and Republican parties, something Trump pointed out in his inaugural speech.) and as a result, there is no bridge of the absolute stupidity that made its way through our legislative process and became our laws.

    We must then presume stupidity to be a constant, and that therefore we must combat stupidity as a premise to ensuring a truly representative government. And hence, why I support my Fascist-Technocracy. I'd have experts in every field of operations. From our financial institutions, to our medical ones and our educational ones. Separate yet equal. And with each compartmentalized department, we'd have the most efficiently ran government. Taking the meaningless, subjective arguments out of government and leaving only the proper direction to be taken.

    As I've stated once on the forums before, and I hold to be my personal philosophical view: Freedom VS Guided Freedom. Where I hold Guided Freedom(Conscious Intelligence) to be the highest form of humanity. And thus, the form of humanity that all intellectuals take. It's time to have such a principled government. First in America, later all over the world :D
     
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    This is the logic globalists use to sleep at night. It is exactly what they're doing, or at least the results are how such endeavors turn out.

    Our nation has literally been under attack by the most powerful people in the world, for 70 years, with control of every institution, and they just lost.

    There won't be words that speak louder than that for a thousand years.
     
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    And here we reach the discussion of utilization. We can observe that to some degree, yes the world's elite have attempted to mingle with government. But to what ends? Society's ends? Or to the country's ends? or to their own? Clearly and plainly enough, to their own ends. Government, like everything else is an engine and that engine only works(or doesn't work) depending on the capability of the person working it.

    Quite a robotic way of viewing things, but I'm just that damn logical lol. If they worked for their country's end, it would be much better. If the smartest people in the world collaborated for society, that would be the ultimate. So it is not the utilization of our smartest minds, that is the problem. But partially how those fortunate enough to wield such power, have abused it for themselves. And also, the undermining of other people who would contribute(but they see as competitors), with the unfortunate result of repressing the needed growth of a society, leading to criminal unrest.

    Where I find my system differs from theirs, is that I hold no dog in the fight.(And neither does the organization). As a State Organization, it organizes under the direction of the State, for the State's purpose. Giving them direction, instead of taking their own direction. And while I'd like to implement it around the world, I'm going to quote Trump: "Through example". Since force brings about resistance, which means interfering with the implementation of the Optimal Thought/Guided Freedom process.

    As the reformation of America transforms her back into a world power, other countries will follow our example again.
     
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    I think we are seeing the empirical proof that decentralizing is the only way to go.

    Power should get less and less on up the tower, not more and more.

    The dumbing down of our population walks hand-in-hand with public schooling.

    70% of the population feeling like government doesn't work for them walks hand-in-hand with federal growth of reach.

    A nation filled with broken homes, and 30 million grown "men" raised by single mothers, walks hand-in-hand with the federal government getting involved in social engineering.

    The corrupt media walks hand-in-hand with journalism being dictated by the top down.

    The lack of originality in Hollywood walks hand-in-hand with writers having to follow guidelines for funding.

    It is corrupting every inch of human growth.

    When we go back and thoroughly study how globalists did what they did, we will see how fragile reality and truth are.

    The number one goal will be the defense of voice and the acceptance of perception by every citizen.

    It is too easy to take over a black and white world. We must not only embrace grey, we must live by it.



    The writing has been on the wall for so long it is filled in.
     
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    You self-righteous conservatives really (*)(*)(*)(*) me off. You think you're the vanguard of the Constitution and that liberals hate the document?

    Ha!!!

    Look at how you guys totally cram your religion into legislation. So much for keeping religious hokey pokey out of the law when it comes to gay marriage and condoms, eh?

    Oh, and why the hell do you clowns ban sex toys in Alabama yet permit people to walk around with war machines?
     
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    He's not a conservative.

    And if you aren't a women, you need to take notice of how emotional you are when it comes to such topics, and start hanging out with more dudes.

    You're devolving.
     
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    Your attempted pseudo-machismo insult makes me not have to return the favor.

    PS

    Now that you got it our of your system, do you have anything to contribute? Or maybe you think George Washington was a "beta male homo" for using big words.
     
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    lol. That only works with your own camp. Is this your 1st time out of the bubble?
     
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    What only works "with my own camp"?
     
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    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Appeals to emotions and insecurities.

    Here on Main St, we deal in facts. One might want to know who the guy on the other side is before attacking.

    Or did CNN and TYT tell you AmericanNationalist was a conservative?
     

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