The most malign influence in American politics - meet the Koch brothers

The Kochs are libertarian capitalists of the worst kind. Their influence on politics matches in its toxicity the influence of the Nazis in Germany in the early 1930s.

 

Small timers.

 

And actually, Obama's boy, George Soros, worked for the Nazis.

Global warming is a fraud.

Try harder.

 

Saw this and just had to repost it here

 

So because they fight against liberalism, that is toxic?

I wasn't aware that Liberalism vs Conservatism = Good vs Evil.

America is not going to voluntarily cripple its economy to fight global warming.

Conservatism =/= Fascism and fighting against Global Warming Alarmist Legislation is not criminal, evil or immoral.

 

Liberals need a bogey man.

 

Actually they fight against democracy. Their objective is to subvert the wishes of the majority in pursuit of a control over the political process that advantages themselves and a small oligarchy of people like them.

The Nazis did much the same. For similar reasons. Though their methods were rather different.

 

What the Koch Brothers are doing with their money, tends to mute the voices of the majority of Americans.

It won't be tolerated for much longer.

 

LOL, sure.

 

You're not the majority. We are.

 

Watch what happens.

 

What, libs are going to try to silence another opposing view?

 

These guys are just business men with tons of money and a political view they are trying to spread to the world.

They aren't the problem (tho they try so very, very hard). Its money and the idea that who has the most gets to make the choices. There is to much money in politics, and way to many rich people running the country.

I have no problem with people being successful, I just hate to see it done at the expense of the country that helped build the foundation of that success. Money insulates people from the world, and it tends to limit their worldview, especially from the point of view of those with minimal to straight out nothing.

Money destroys as much as it creates, but over the last decade or so, it seems to be destroying more then creating (at least in the US anyway)

 

Conservatism and fascism are the same. I am not able to see difference. I can't see difference of the style of comments from a fascist and a conservative, they say exactly the same. So if you act and think like a fascist you are a fascist. (This you is a you generic without refering to any person in particular)

 

Sorry, but ignorance is no excuse.

Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Conservatism: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

 

That's the whole point. The Kochs and others like them use money distort democracy in ways that ensure it does not have the capacity to combat the pursuit of power and yet more money by a small group of capitalist parasites.

 

Why do you people keep insisting that "Democracy is being distorted" as if we Conservatives are just some minor faction who without money would have no political power or standing in American Politics? As if Conservatives don't make up HALF THE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING NATION.

That is an assanine worldview. Democracy is working because Conservatives are making a stand.

The reason the US Government is deadlocked is becuase We the Conservative People of America are fighting hard to make it that way to prevent bastard "progress" of leftism in our country.

 

So what the hell happened to the republican party?
*edit for elaboration*

I do see those aspects, but its like, those aspects at the expense of the country. Especially after those values were mutated around 2001 or 02. And the party seems to have been knocked down that ever quickening path towards self-destruction.

Lower Taxes only works when you have a strong enough economy to keep up the difference. It isn't (or is slowly getting back), but never any call to even out the big gaping black hole in the deficit. Limited regulation is as silly as over regulation. Regulations should be economical, but not always at the expense of the environment. Nation Defense...well we all saw/see where that headed. Individual responsibility...that's the kicker for me. Not everyone can take care of themselves. I'm not big on the state being a babysitter, but i'd rather have 1 or 2 crackheads on welfare, rather then 1 or 2 families losing it because of a wide ranging abolition of the program.

 

The correct spelling is "Hassanine" for an Islamophobe.

 

he said/she said.

why is progress or progressive such a dirty word? why is it better to stand still and not move forward? i'm honestly curious.

 

Because the progressives have become more radical over the last 10 years and trying to slam America into Euro style social democracy.

America was not founded on Social Democracy, which requires extensive Government intervention. America was founded on Limited Government and Laissez-faire.

Why does progress mean we have to crush economic and consumer freedom in America?

 

System bribery and corruption of elected officials doesn't strike me as democratic behaviour.

But if you think the masquerade you are proposing serves democracy then there is little hope for democracy in Ameica.

But we all know that already.

 

We're not interested in proportional democracy because we refuse to be governed by a populist leftwing mob that makes up only 20% of the national population.

 

Interesting that you would use a 10 year mark. Have you pondered the idea that progressives feel that the dial was smashed from 0 into the negative zone, and its a 10 year push back, trying to get back to at least 0?

Personally, I've always been middle ground type of person. No one style can work, as it (going from your 2 examples) can either mean a 1984 style dictatorship, or a darwinian, only the strong (rich) survive. Neither works.

you need a mostly free, individually responsible nation, with social programs for the have-nots, but with a lot of mechanisms to discourage abuse, a justice system that isn't built on 'lock up and throw away key', and an economy that ecourages development and forward thinking ideas, but returns a bit to the system that helped create it, so as to encourage new companies to do the same (not one that destroys because its easier to make a buck in some sweatshop).

 

Side 1 - If everyone jumped off a bridge..etc..etc...

Side 2 - if your the smelly kid in class, and you don't realize it.....