The Myth of the Fatherless Black Child

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  1. conservaliberal

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    Point well made! Now... do you have some other reason why so many Blacks do so poorly in what is surely the most mixed, diverse, inclusive society in the world? If its origins are not bad family 'situations', then it's something else? OK, but please try to come up with something other than the completely worn out meme of "racism"....
     
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    No it isn't

    Whites do everything you show in that picture. And how many armed standoffs have blacks had with police? Whites specialize in it.

    In 2020, Whites were fifty-one percent of the offenders for all crimes committed in America. A white offender committed fifty-four percent of the crimes against persons.37 Whites committed the most property crimes (42%) and crimes against society (65%).38 Seven out of every ten arrests for crimes in America is on someone white. Whites have a history of criminal behavior that started at the very beginning of this country. Whites have elected numerous criminals to make laws in this country. Whites organized crime and made it a corporate business.

    Whites control the manufacturing, shipment, and distribution of drugs in this country. Whites made two of the most destructive drugs legal, creating millions of addicted citizens. I am talking about alcohol and nicotine. Whites have embezzled and scammed people out of trillions of dollars in the years America has been a country. Whites control the manufacturing, shipping, sales, and distribution of deadly weapons in this country.

    So let's stop being white and talking about black crime.
     
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    You'd like to suggest that "racism" is to blame for fatherless homes of black children?

    Really.

    Please answer these two questions:

    What was the fatherless rate of black children in 1940.
    What is the fatherless rate of black children in 2024.
     
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    Single mother households are a result of two things:

    1. Welfare
    2. Modern feminism
     
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    Since I happen to be a black man, I can speak as an expert while you can't. Your commentary is wrong. And that's just the way it is. Given the overall record, it is wise for blacks to avoid white men even when they are dressed for church. Young white man, or white males in general are the most violent and dangerous people in this country. The numbers of arrests for violent crime show this. A racist opinion is never correct.
     
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    Interesting.

    The US is 59% white and white people commit 51% of the total crime, 49% of violent crime.

    Black people represent about 14% of the population and commit 51% of violent crime.

    Tobacco usage was introduced by Native Americans, and you can thank the Chinese for the invention of alcoholic beverages.

    Nice diatribe otherwise.
     
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    This is the real myth of the whole thread lmao
     
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    Racism is the root cause of the problems in the black community. Fatherless homes is a strawman argument.

    In 1939, during this time of great black two-parent families, the poverty rate for employed married black couples was 89 percent.7 In 1959, the poverty rate for that same couple was 54.9 percent.8 These sky-high rates of poverty occurred during the time “conservatives” rant about. Today due to the “ liberal welfare state breaking up the black family by giving them welfare,” black poverty is half of what it was in 1959 and less than one-third of what it was in those imaginary grand old glorious days of the two-parent black family.

    Given the facts, the questions posed are senseless and don't need to be answered.

    Here is more.

    “In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure.”
    -Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.”

    And from the same study:

    “The median white single parent has 2.2 times more wealth than the median black two-parent household and 1.9 times more wealth than the median Latino two-parent household.”

    this is why:

    Payscale did a two-year study from 2017 to 2019, and this is their conclusion: “We find equal pay for equal work is still not a reality.” They studied the earnings of white men and men of color using data from 1.8 million employees. They found that no matter how far they advanced, black men made less than white men with the same qualifications. According to the study, “black men were the only racial/ethnic group not achieving pay parity with white men at some level.

    “Black women have to work more than 19 months—until the very last day of July—to make as much as white, non-Hispanic men did in the previous 12- month calendar year.” Black women in high-wage occupations earn sixty-four cents for every dollar a white man earns. On average, that is 40,000 dollars per year less than white men in those same occupations.
    - National Women’s Law Center

    This renders the unwed mother, fatherless home opinion meritless relative to income and poverty because a black couple can get married, daddy lives at home, and the family still makes less than whites. This is not about lack of education. Nor is it about the field of study.

    “Even after completing undergraduate and graduate degrees, black and Hispanic workers earned less than non-Hispanic white workers with the same, or often less, education.” - Roy Eduardo Kokoyachuk, ThinkNow Research

    Keep trying to tell us it's not about racism
     
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    Wrong way to measure this. Leave out all the people of every race who do not commit crimes. Whites commit 60 percent of the violent crimes annually. Your information is incorrect.
     
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    Wrong, but this is the way of racism.
     
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    Here's why:

     
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    Try not using Brandon Tatum in discussions.
     
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    LoL what?

    You just measured it the same way.

    You must be here for the election season.
     
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    He has black skin, thus is an expert based on your own criteria. Not that I believe you.

    Oh and that's not Tatum. do they all look the same to you?
     
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    Interesting theory.

    In 1940 only 15% of black children were in single parent homes.

    Was there more or less racism in 1940. Nonmarital_Birth_Rates_in_the_United_States,_1940-2014.png
     
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    Wrong. My numbers are based on the UCR crime reports and they only count the number of people who are arrested. Now we can break it down even further. Because when you look at the number of actual offenders it equals 2.1 percent of the overall population. The portion of the population who are white offenders are 1.09 percent, the part of the American population who are black offenders is 0.6 percent. Percentages come with numbers attached and so the claim that blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit x percent of the crimes is an argument that is dishonest when you look at the actual numbers of criminal offenders by race or the numbers of people who are arrested by race.

    I'm not here for election season. I just happen to be a man who has studied this stuff for the past 40 years professionally instead of reading junk on American Rennaissance.
     
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    Far from wrong. It’s the cry of ignorance. What race commits the most murders in the United States? Why do blacks kill more people than any other race even though they are only 13-14% of the population?

    with numbers like that you’re going to have a higher rate of police encounters as well. Commit crimes at higher rates and you will have higher rates of police encounters. When you try and run or fight cops you’re more likely to get shot. I haven’t seen a single black be killed that wasn’t trying to fight a cop, point a gun at a cop, pull out a weapon from a cop or something along those lines. They don’t just pull out a gun and shoot you. That is a myth
     
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    These are the facts and it doesn't matter how many black children grew up with fathers in the 1950's because the rate of black poverty was at least twice what it is now. That absent black father argument simply has no merit.
     
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    So what you're saying is that less racism and more money has made 70+ of black children fatherless.
     
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    Oh I see.

    So 59% of the population has 1.09% offenders
    and 14% of the population has 0.6% of offenders

    It's almost like that's statistics or something.

    59% of the population is about 4 times 14% of the population which means:

    If whites were 14% of the population they'd have .275 offenders
    If blacks were 59% of the population they'd have 2.4 offenders

    Nice try using statistics. You just needed to take the extra step.
     
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    Since murders are not the only crime and over the course American history whites have built an insurmountable lead in murders, your argument s silly.

    Since you want to talk about murder, let's look at an indirect way whites kill blacks that doesn't show up on the police record.

    I will use an article written by Rav Arora in the NY Times as basis for my rebuttal. It is titled, “These Black Lives Didn’t Seem To Matter In 2020.” In this article, Arora sings the same racist tune we have all come to know.

    Arora writes this mumbo jumbo calling himself mocking Black Lives Matter. But when we look at reality, his opinion is lacking. His beef appears to be with blacks protesting being murdered by police. He is trying to denigrate BLM because he falsely believes there is a lack of concern for the number of blacks not killed by police. He points out that over 8,600 blacks were killed in 2020 and that 90 percent of those were killed by another black. He then goes on to say this: “Since more than 90 percent of black homicide victims are killed by black offenders, the ghost of endemic white supremacy cannot be invoked to push racial grievance narratives. As a result, the media turns a blind eye. Black lives only seem to matter when racism is involved.”

    Arora is right; the media, and other people like him, turn a blind eye to the biggest killer of black people. For years we as black people have heard the constant lectures about black-on-black crime. People like Arora, McDonald, Carlson, Shapiro, and others have written or spoken extensively about blacks murdering blacks. Arora cites 8,600 homicides of blacks, with ninety percent of those homicides committed by other blacks and believes he is making a compelling argument while calling out black organizations such as BLM to take responsibility for what he views as THE problem in the black community. So let me help you and others who hold similar beliefs understand the real problem.

    According to the American Heart Association, hypertension-related deaths in the black community increased from 171,259 to 270,839 annually from 2000-2018.36 These numbers are twenty and thirty-one times the number of blacks who were murdered in ways that “bother” people like you and Arora. Most of these people died from hypertension caused by the stress of living with white racism. Racism was outlawed on paper by 1965. That makes racism a crime. Racism is a crime that continues to be perpetrated against blacks and all people of color in the United States. Those like you will point out that at least 90 percent of those 8,600 murders of blacks were by blacks. If you use this claim as the basis, at least 7,740 blacks were killed by other blacks in 2020. Those like you claim this is a number that blacks must immediately address. More than 270,000 blacks died due to hypertension in 2023, judging by the trends shown by the American Heart Association. If we are generous and conclude that just ten percent of these deaths are directly attributed to racist actions by whites, over 27,000 such deaths in 2020 were caused by white racism. That means 3.5 times more black people died from stress induced by white racism than blacks murdering each other on the streets of America.

    That is white-on-black crime, and it’s a real problem that must be solved by the white community. Countless studies show the detrimental effects of racism on people of color, yet whites keep it up. Then the fact here is the biggest killer of all is white racism. So do not ask me questions about why blacks kill, when the real question is why do whites still practice racism?
     
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    What I am saying is that your argument is dumb and irrelevant.
     
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    Then it should be easy to explain why.

    Go ahead.
     
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    LOL black people have heart problems because of racism.

    Why wasn't the heart attack for black people in 1940 triple what it is now?

    I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with obesity at all.
     
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    I'm black. Understand? You chose to believe a sellout only because he repeats to you what you already believe and you can use a black face to try dismissing the racism in your opinion. Of course, you don't believe I'm black because you live in a delusion whereby you think blacks agree with your nonsense and you seek videos from dumb blacks who make crazy comments for paid clicks.
     

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