"The Nunes Memo Doesn’t Matter."

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    archives Well-Known Member

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    "Overseen by Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, the four-page memo argues that the FBI relied too heavily on claims from an unsubstantiated dossier written by former British spy Christopher Steele when getting a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on Trump advisor Carter Page."

    "It’s based on underlying documents and facts that remain classified, so most readers are going to have to take Nunes’ word for it – and he is hardly the type of person most independents and Democrats are inclined to trust. A former member of the Trump transition team, he has long argued that “there’s nothing there” in the Russia investigation, was forced to temporarily step aside over his handling of classified information and was once compared by a Republican senator to the bumbling Inspector Clouseau."

    "Meantime, the memo has been criticized as incomplete and misleading by the Justice Department, the FBI, Trump-appointed FBI head Christopher Wray and three Republican senators, not to mention most congressional Democrats, who voted on party lines to reject it and have prepared their own counter-memo. That all-but ensures the GOP memo will be read as a partisan work by most people who read up on it."

    https://usa-newnews.com/2018/02/02/t...res-what-does/

    All the leading pre hype, "bigger than WaterGate," and this is it? Got to be a lot of pissed off demogogues talking up a smoking gun for days now and Nunes didn't even give them a water pistol
     
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    vanityofvanitys Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, sure. That explains why the DNC, DOJ and FBI went into hysterics trying to stop it from being released.

    To the left, another example of a nothing burger is Hillary destroying 30,000 subpoenaed emails or the Clinton Foundation secretly receiving 150 million from a uranium company selling our uranium to the Russians. Nothing alters your people's mission.
     
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    Of course they did, however I wouldn't say "hysterically," but in the case of the Democrats, it was to make sure the memo was recognized for what is it, a heavily partisan political document, and as for the FBI and DOJ, which by the way is headed by Trump appointees, is too make sure their reputation wasn't damaged over what they viewed as a obvious heavily partisan political document that wasn't actually valid

    Got any more questions I can help you with?
     
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    vanityofvanitys Well-Known Member

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    No. We already rested our case. And the verdict is in. That is, if the truth ever was of interest to you and yours?
     
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    This is really all anyone can rightly expect from this utterly corrupt political system; one cabal of lying Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class errand boys/girls pointing to the "other" cabal of lying Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class errand boys/girls and sneering "but you're more shitty than we are so there".

    No wonder we have to export our "way of life" through violence, war and permanent military occupation.
     
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    vanityofvanitys Well-Known Member

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    No. In WW2 the USA created some atrocities and so did the Nazis. But just because they both did it hardly makes them equals.

    It is a desperate defense often used, I will grant you that.
     
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    That's the problem with you conservatives, you accept as truth the last thing some demogogue or partisan politician tells you is the truth

    All of this memo stuff is solely the word of Congressman Nunes, that is twilight Uber rides to the White House Nunes, and you thought two FBI agents communicating political thoughts on Email was proof all these investigations were partisan yet you accept the word of a political hack as Nunes as objective truth
     
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    Just one. What facts do you find are ' obviously heavily partisan' in this memo?
     
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    Thanks, I will accept your position.
    But you have a better chance convincing an ISIS terrorist to convert to Catholicism than converting us.
     
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    You been reading HG Wells?

    That logic means nothing, sounds like a college freshmen seminar on imperialism, got all the expected cliches and generalizations all in the right part, time to get back to the real world
     
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    Not true, the vast majority of Americans will view the Nunes memo for what it is, a heavily partisan political document, and within a regular short period of time regular Republicans as Ryan will be asking himself what he was thinking when he supported it's release
     
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    Remember uranium one was going to take everyone down?
    And before that it was a fake unmasking scandal
    Before that it was leaks
    Comey lied under oath

    All empty RW lies, and their supporters never even seem to notice lol
     
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    All of it, beginning to end, what you are overlooking is that all of this memo is the word of Congressman Nunes, it is not a Committee report, it is Nunes's understanding of thousands of documents, and given that the documents are classified, people can't review them on their own, we are being asked to accept the word of Nunes, his view of what occurred, and Nunes doesn't have a particular track record of being honest nor nonpartisan
     
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    Yeah nothing there:
    You say Trump colluded with Russia
    Hilary and the freaking FBI actually paid for false Russian intelligence. Both lied for most of the year they had nothing to do with it.
    Dems and media said trump team wasn't under surveillance, well that didn't work out.
    Dems said the memo would threaten national security so we wouldn't see it. Wow that was a whooper huh.
    DOJ and FBI officials that worked on all this have been fired or demoted, wonder why?
    2nd in command said the false Russian Dossier was the reason for the fisa warrants. So the Dems paid for BS Russian propaganda and it was actually used by the our intelligence to spy on a political opponent. I can't tell you how much this so scare Americans. Our government does not have a right to spy on its citizens much less use that intelligence to win a f'ing election. Yeap a big nothing burger, the dems have lost your minds.
     
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    This memo was drafted in a committee of the elected representatives of the people. It was voted in by the elected representatives of the people. It was approved for release by the elected chief executives of the people.

    The shadow government is pissed. Comey last night went as far as to call the FBI "leaders". Since when are the FBI our leaders.
     
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    Zero evidence it was used to spy on anyone and Page did not work for trump when they got the warrant.
     
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    So when's trump fire Wray?
     
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    Nope, seems the memo is just some inter office bullshit that was overhyped and over responded to. In other word newsporn. Anyone who thought it was earth shattering news is a moron, and anyone saying dems freaked out so it must be something is a moron. This is a frighten memo. It is some guys opinion sent in an office environment about something he has not seen and does not know, but it might be something they have to worry about eventually in court and challenge what it says because doing their job.

    Really this is what all the people are dabbling about? This is what I am supposed to be worked up about? This is what the dems were afraid of? This is the memo that was going to bring down everyone according to the republicans? This is not even the Steele dos. This is talking about what to do about the steel dos. This is not even interesting talking about what to do about it. This is it might be something to worry about because it comes from the British spies. Ok, I knew that already way back before the election. Yup, I knew this already. This memo isn't even current. This is talking about the piss tapes which we talked about way back when and still have not seen.

    This is just the piss tapes. Really, if you ask me I think trump is the kind of guy who would buy a bunch of bookers on a trip to Russia to piss on him. Yes it might be blackmail worthy, but in the end I thought that is what trump did with his money already. So the **** what? Don't let the Russians blackmail you frumpy because everyone already really knows you are a rich guy who probably pays for it. We have seen your wives. We know you do. We have seen their disgusted look and that they cannot even bear to live with you despite your riches and all the gifts in the world so there is some deal dark disgusting things about you because for that amount of money people can overlook a hell of a lot. If everything they say in the Steele dos happens to be true it does not lower my opinion of trump one little bit because I already thought he did those things.

    The only people who seem to have forgotten trump is a loser ****ing sicko are the republicans who forgot he was that in the eighties and nineties. This is not news. This is stupid. You cannot even harm trump with this stuff because everyone knows it and the republicans who support him deny this reality. It was republicans who first told me watch out for that immoral democrat money sucking loser hedonist sinner rich boy who goes bankrupt donald little hands trump. Now they vote for him and pretend he is a pure Angel from heaven while he hangs out with an ageing who're and probably sucks his daughter while his son in law is sexually assaulting the maid.

    Are you kidding me?

    People, I cannot even get into this argument it is so stupid and useless. You all go fight amongst yourselves until something real happens. I am going to go out and play bingo with the elderly and smoke a few cigarettes or something, and I don't smoke anymore. This is so useless and worthless that taking up smoking again is a better decision than doing this. Don't worry I am not really going to smoke. I can still jerk off and maybe my ass crack needs some special attention. Anything but this is worthwhile. Maybe the soup kitchen needs a volunteer?
     
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    Well after one gets thru the radio rhetoric, the line "2nd in command said the false Russian Dossier was the reason for the fisa warrants," no, Congressman Nunes is telling us "2nd in command said the false Russian Dossier was the reason for the fisa warrants."

    Getting tired of repeating the same thing, but all of the memo, its' entirety, beginning to end, is the word of Congressman Nunes, not the Committee, Congressman Nunes, what he thinks the documents tell us. And last I knew, Congressman Nunes doesn't share a reputation of being honest, and certainly not nonpartisan

    Why is it so difficult for conservatives to recognize the obvious?
     
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    Your wrong, the Committee did not draft the memo, why would a Committee draft a memo and make it public prior to issuing a final report, duh, but regardless, it is solely Nunes's word, although most feel it was written by the WH, Nunes ain't that clever

    The Committee voted to approve it because it is a political document, the House Committee is heavily political, so it doesn't take much to figure out the rest

    And all that crap about "elected representatives" and "chief executive" is as bogus as the memo itself, sounds nice, but reality doesn't exist in a seventh grade civics textbook
     
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    First lets be honest here, your media masters were going to say this no matter what came out in the memo.

    Now on to why they are stupid for doing so.

    Violating the rights of a citizen ...matters.

    Using fabricated information, sourced only by news articles that were themselves sourced by the same person who fabricated the information in question, as the basis for justification of surveillance on a US citizen ...matters.

    LEO entities being fully aware of the fabricated nature of information and yet still choosing to act upon it ...matters.

    Courts being denied information by petitioners ...matters.

    So many things here matter and the reason why is because if we tolerate this from the highest entities in the land then what is to stop lower ones from using it against ordinary citizens?
     
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    But The Trump Russian Collusion DOES matter eh. ?
    Where does this sickness of thinking process originate.
    The Nunes memo PROVES w/o any doubt that Hillary was the
    one involved with Russian Collusion.The Nunes memo Proves that.
    This is just another Dimocrat example of Projection.
    Finding a way to accuse and Frame Trump for what Hillary and
    the DNC were guilty of.
    Plus Trump WAS Spied upon by Obama.There is no way Obama
    can plead ignorance on any FISA warrant granted.His Daily
    Briefings would have to mention it.
     
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    If you bothered to read the memo it states who crafted it.
    Not Based on Opinion but actual Raw Intelligence and
    Investigations the last year.The memo was signed by Nunes,
    Paul Ryan and Minority Select Committee member Adam Schiff.
    It was Schiff who did everything he could to delay and deny access
    to subpoena material.Then he pulls a fast one and claims that Nunes
    removed material from his Original Memorandum report.
    Which is Projection.Schiff is a shitbag Liar.
     
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    Nunes didn't even read the FISA materials, he had someone else read it ho then announced he is leaving congress. Cant say as I blame him after this....what do they call it....oh wait...NOTHING BURGER.
     
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    What country do we currently occupy??
     

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