Good post! Sometimes, I come here to see what ludicrous, divisive theories and propaganda Right wing racists are actually employing. (I rarely fail to see something racist repackaged, if at all.)
But these numbers do not control for background; as a result, you're trying to draw conclusions from populations with two different economic distributions and cardinality. For example, white people have a higher IQ than black people. Why? The median black person is further down the economic ladder than the median white person. Same is true with crime and various other issue that come along with poverty. No, poor people are statistically more likely to be criminals than rich people (many factors more likely).
No there's not more sampling data available in 2005. The same information is collected on both surveys. The 2008 survey has a much larger sample size. There were fewer cases reported in the 2008 survey but not less sampling data. You continue to speak about something you obviously have no clue about. Based on a much smaller sample. Self-reported. Doesn't separate rape from sexual assaults. Weighted numbers. The list goes on and on. Not just me. It's standard practice, UNLESS SOMEONE IS CHERRY PICKING DATA, to use the latest data sets. So why aren't you interested in using the 2008 numbers when your thread is talking about CURRENT events? Again, the 2008 numbers completely counter your ridiculously biased claim about an epidemic. An increase in the sample from 2005 to 2008 produced numbers FROM WEIGHTED results that require a footnote denoting that they are based on amounts that are statistically not significant. In addition, in case you didn't notice, even if you discount the asterisk, the percentages continue to paint a completely different story than "race war" propaganda that you're trying to sell. The data doesn't come from statistics gathered by arrests. It comes from a household survey. Sorry, I'll try and use smaller words next time. 162,940 persons. Less than 10 sample cases*. The category lumps rapes together with sexual assaults. Sexual assaults can consist of unwanted physical interaction such as fondling or groping as well as voiced threats of such contact. *Do I have to do the math for you? The extreme bias present in the opening post invalidates the thread. All I'm doing is pointing out the inconsistencies in the racially charged OP and that most of the information seems to rely on the "analysis" of a bunch of racists participating in their standard "OMG! NEGROES ARE EVIL!!!!" circle-jerks threads on other sites. Perhaps you should get your data from less biased sources or learn at least some rudimentary statistics so that you can evaluate the results without having to resort to one-sided attempts to justify hatred and intolerance. The data completely refutes your point. You just don't realize it. You titled your thread "The Ongoing Black on White Rape Epidemic." The data doesn't point to an epidemic. While I'm under the belief that rape cases should be vigorously prosecuted, the number of reported rapes has plummeted along with violent crime in general. You then blather on about what you feel are related topics and then conjecture about what black men are thinking, lol. While I'm sure you're an expert on constructing psychological profiles of people who think are inferior, I have to discount your attempts. Your post is inane, sophomoric, and I'm sure that more than a few people chuckled out loud before moving on to a thread that wasn't created for propaganda related purposes. The percentage of minorities continues to increase. The rate of violent crime is at historic lows. That's enough to determine that your thoughts on the matter are completely detached from reality. - - - Updated - - - Bingo.
Racism is the belief that members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. For example the belief that blacks more than other races are more likely to act without considering consequence, that blacks are more aggressive than whites, or that they are collectively targeting white women because of some collective perception. Your theories are racist. By definition. They also seem very unlikely. Sure there are other possible explanations. The disparity could be a result of conditions that happen to parallel race or are a consequence of racially selective processes. Issues like income, education, wealth... I couldn't tell you which (if any single one at all) was the sole cause. But I have to wonder why anyone who wasn't a racist would find this data interesting, much less jump to the conclusion that rape was racially motivated. It's like someone observing 100% of indicted presidents were white and suggesting this reveals something about the criminal nature of white people.
Great post. With the way the media portrays white women throwing themselves at black men, I wonder if black men have developed a sense that white women are cheap and disposable as well, the way Muslims apparently have in Europe?
I've already answered your question. You seem to be hunting for a specific answer to fit into your progressive narrative, but that's not my problem. - - - Updated - - - For genetics, statistically, I'd wonder about their propensity to commit rape in general. When they specifically target white women, I wonder about the cultural attitudes that cause it.
So IQ is only a function of how rich someone is? Do you have any evidence to support that idea? How does not having enough money make someone more likely to commit rape? Another white guilt member made this argument this week and I showed him how West Virginia, the least educated and poorest state in the country (per capita), has about the same rate of rape as Maryland, which is the most educated, richest state in the country (per capita). How do you explain this?
The NCVS is the largest, most reliable source for these statistics in the country. If you have problems with how they conduct these surveys, feel free to contact them. I'm sure they'll put your complaints at the top of their priority list. Meanwhile, people have the option to read them and figure out what they are referring to. Nothing you've posted contradicts my claim that whites are victimized by blacks and not the other way around when it comes to the crime of rape (and sexual assault). Again, it's your baseless assertion that the numbers are "statistically insignificant". The footnote says no such thing. The 2008 statistics did not discount the 2005 statistics. Quite the contrary, the 2008 statistics support my original claim. Having less samples being reported does not mean the statistical estimate is invalid. So what? Is household survey data unreliable? I'll keep that in mind the next time one of you left-wingers brag about Obama's job creation. Arrest records show blacks committing a disproportionately high amount of rape and sexual assault as well, so another dead end for you, I'm afraid. The lengths you apologists will go to. In 2005 there was a large amount of samples, more than 10. What's your point? And again, feel free to give something other than your say-so on why the statistics are not valid. No, todd. The data does not contradict my claim. There are tens of thousands of white women being raped and sexually assaulted every year, with no rapes/sexual assaults taking place between white men and black women. Both of the years show the same exact thing. Your attempts to dismiss the data, because it conflicts with your progressive/socialist worldview where whites are always the villains and non-whites are Saints on earth, is not working. You'll have to take your complaints to the BJS and complain that their sample size, definitions, and results are all flawed, just because you feel they are. I'm sure they are going to be very impressed with your command on this topic.
Just because somethings fits the definition of "racist" does not make it incorrect. There were/are studies on blacks and delayed gratification. There have been studies on the warrior gene and how it affects black males more than white males. There have been IQ studies done. Whether these are responsible for the rape rate is debatable. I don't claim to know the exact answer... I am merely exploring possible answers. I have listed some of them. If you have confidence in your education/income excuse causing more black rapists, throw it out there. Don't just say "well it could be this, I dunno, I just know you're RACIST and racism is wrong and bad!" It's so ridiculously weak, it's almost not even worth addressing. Your entire contribution to this thread has been nothing but grandstanding, trying to impress other white guilt progressives. It's pathetic.
Considering how many troll threads you create, I can't believe I'm saying this, but you've brought up a good point. And I don't believe [MENTION=55657]Brewskier[/MENTION] answered your question sufficiently, but I think you did. "but you want NOTHING DONE ABOUT IT?!?!?! except "protect themselves?"" Is that reasonable? That women, in this case white women, protect themselves? A few years ago during the Zimmerman-Martin fiasco, there was much to do about "The Talk." The Talk was lessons that black fathers allegedly all told their children about behavior around police officers since otherwise cops shoot black people because...racism. Since then we've seen quite a few national examples of kids who clearly didn't get the talk, but also at the time a writer for the National Review named John Derbyshire wrote a column at another website (not National Review) called The Talk: Non Black version. Once this article hit social media Derbyshire was immediately fired from his National Review gig. The column was racist, and Derbyshire, who admits that yes, he's a racist, was too hot for NR to handle. At the time, I 100% agreed with National Review firing him. I thought he said some terrible things and shouldn't be associated with NR anymore. But over time, I've had second thoughts about that. And it revolves around this question: How do white parents talk to their kids about black crime when whites, disproportionately are victims of it? I'm sure you've seen the quote multiple times on this forum about Jesse Jackson's response to worry about young black men late at night. If black civil rights leaders are more worried about young black men late at night, why it it wrong for white people to even think about it? I don't have an answer to this because I've not faced it or addressed it in my own mind yet, but it's obvious that we're not even allowed to talk about it yet. Eventually though, that wall is going to crumble, and then what do we say?
Well first of all, this is just another thread that targets black people with the usual clap trap that blacks are more violent than whites. I do not fault blacks for their hostility towards whites. Whites are the cause of that hostility. They have always been racist and bigoted against blacks and have always put them down any way they can. Whites are also the cause of most of the world's problems. Plus whites lie a lot. So stop concentrating on black crime until you address and fix the white crime. Until then, this blacks are more racist than whites is a bunch of nonsense.
Too bad you can't say the same for your forefathers can you. - - - Updated - - - So to sum up this whole thread, the OP doesn't mind being raped as long as the rapist isn't black.
The left doesn't mind young black thugs being shot as long as it's not by white cops. Summed upped your whole post
Racism is the belief that members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There have been many racist studies. Racist beliefs are not necessarily false, but they tend to be useless, divisive, and ultimately counter productive. You are mistaken in assuming my values are progressive and that I would bother to offer an excuse for rapists. There's a problem with making hasty assumptions, with prejudging people. Everything you build off of those assumptions is unreliable.
Let's see a link to this bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Why aren't these gangbangers that kill multiple people considered 'mass murderers'? Ever wonder why?
I wonder... Mark Twain said it best about statistics... "Lies, damn lies, and statistics..." The number 0 is a bit incredulous, but whatever. The numbers might not be entirely accurate, but whatever. It's not the first time science, statistics, religion, philosophy, and morality have been weaponized to condemn a particular people. And seeing as though this seems to be the sole piece of evidence one bases their argument around, it seems to give the OP remarkable room to discuss all sorts of bizarre racial hypothesis like the "warrior gene"... I am wondering how many Black women were raped by White men in the not so distant past? How many slaves...mulattos...house servants...children...were raped by White men? Does this reflect an innate gene in White men to physically dominate and extort people? I don't think so... But...does that matter? I would much prefer to ask the question about how do we bring all rape numbers down to zero. I don't doubt that Black people share a particular percentage of the crimes. Poor people anywhere are prone to crime. It doesn't matter the racial makeup. I honestly don''t believe these numbers reflect reality accurately, (for instance, in domestic disputes, Black people are far more likely to be arrested and convicted of sexual assault or whatever based on the sole testimony of the women; this is an issue because women weaponize this ability to call the police on men they seek to control or destroy in some way. Women can be as vicious as males, but males assert direct physical dominance while women call the police and destroy their lives...but as to how far this goes, I don't believe there is credible data. I know this happens a lot in some Black communities for some pretty shotty reasons, but even though I've heard of wild things among my own firends who were white, the women rarely call the police. White women seem to endure battery and assault more than Black women, but again...exact numbers are not existent for that statement) but it doesn't matter. If people are doing a crime, they should be held to account. I think the thread should stand. If you are forced to confront the truth, you have to do something about it. Honestly, this US culture has absolutely no room to talk about moral improvement, but regardless, if a significant percentage of your people commit crimes- even if they have valid reasons for the conditions that force them into such things- it should be clear that the only meaningful improvement that will ever come of their people is going to be from self-initiation. And they won't get there by hiding behind this faux-face that both White people and Black people like to wear. Good post, Brewskier, though I do think your "theories" should be as fact-based as your initial criticism. I also did not think those video's you posted showed any sort of racial bias at all. for every one of those, I can show you ten where the Black men is a theif, a clone, a silent mute, and whatever. Or that most times if a Black women is on a show with a majority white cast, she is fat, loud, obnoxious, and/or generally not very pretty and always plays 2nd, 3rd, or last fiddle if she even has lines. Come on, man. Spread that critical love...
That's because they 'think' it's okay and normal. It's actually a neurosis being experienced and acted out. Something brought on by the insidious programing they've received at some point in their lives. They WANT some way to make it "okay" and "accepted". But I'd ask the racist: How can others within humanity accept you (racist)... when you reject others?? If you're racist, you shouldn't be seeking approval... you should be seeking repentance. (That would help.)
Simply read up on poverty statistics. There was also an interesting article in the Economist a few weeks back about how when the velocity of a family economic status changes (IE: a family is moving out of poverty), the rates stay bad. The area isn't well studied yet, but it'll be interesting to see what results they find. http://www.economist.com/news/scien...tween-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and [/quote] West V: population 1.8 million Maryland: population 6 million. Factor difference: 3x population size. Also its important to know the economic distributions over those populations. Souce: wolframalpha.com http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=west+virginia&lk=4 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Maryland White Guilt member? Sounds like your simply a racist.
Skeptical. Further skeptical. Can't find that data at that link, either. Granted, there are a lot of pages, maybe I missed it -- what page are you looking at?