The people want less immigration

Same thing that happens to kids who's parents don't want them now, adoption, leave them with a legal family member, or worst case throw them into the system. The kids will not be left to starve and you know that.......hence you are being a bit dramatic about this.

 

Again, not dramatic.

I'm pointing out that if we deport the parents, the kids will then become tax payers problem. How does that help things in any way?

 

Would that massive cut to immigration apply to Europeans as well? And sadly, to all those people, the reality is the wall will not be an end all to illegal immigration.

 

Now you are suddenly worried about the cost to taxpayers? And yet you are arguing vehemently in another thread that there is no impact to taxpayers....

The biggest benefit to not allowing the parents to stay is that it will be a deterrent to future illegals who also want to come here to birth an anchor baby. It says to illegals "guess what, your baby may now be a US citizen, but you are not going to be allowed to stay and raise it here.... so are you willing to give up your baby, or do you want to take it back home with you?"

Until something is done to modify the 14th Amendment or crack down on the anchor baby problem in some other way, we have to accept the anchor babies. But we don't need to encourage it, and that's exactly what we do if we allow the parents to stay also.

Illegally entering our country to have a baby should not be a free pass that lets illegals live in America while our taxpayers pay to raise their kids.

 

I don't believe anyone said the wall was full proof, and for the record I disagree with the wall. If we want to control illegal immigration we need to control what brings them here. If there is no incentive to come then they will not come.

 

That is immaterial. They can stay if their parents say OK. You cannot get around that.

 

It's the same scenario when parents are incarcerated for committing any crimes isn't it? Sometimes their kids get screwed for their bad decisions. It sucks, but we haven't stopped enforcing crimes and tossing people in jail.

 

One would think that not all of the parents would abandon their kids here. Hispanic people for example are especially very family oriented so probably only a few would be left behind from that ethnic group. That would leave some for adoption or other services like family or state sure.

Ultimately people that are coming here for the specific reason to give birth to a US citizen will likely slow dramatically because there is no immediate advantage to that anymore.

 

When the US was still new and green immigrants were needed to go straight to work, without any social safety net, to help the country grow, assimilating into the melting pot.

Now that the US is an older and riper country, immigrants are not much needed, and largely make the country rot.

 

Those comments are most uninformed. Younger immigrants who come to work add to the safety net income generation pool, and have children who will do the same. To think that "immigrants are not much needed" demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about this problem.

Much of "the country rot" is found in the cocaine alleys of our big cities and the opioid crisis in redneck America.

 

Nevermind. I was replying to a post which was really off topic, and I don't want to derail the thread.

 

I understand what you are saying. After all now that "we" are here the rest need not apply.

Seriously we can slow the immigration down.

 

removing the parents, places the care of the child on the state.

how is that a deterrent?

And this will take an amendment to address. In the meantime, deporting the parents and placing the kids in the care of the state just doesn't make any sense.

 

I understand that. My point is, when you deport the parents, you can't deport the kids. The parents would have to remove them. If they do not, they are placed in the care of the state.

 

so your solution is to say "sorry kids, **** you" because their parents broke the law?

 

Correct and they may or may not be adopted. If this was to be implemented and enforced (key word here) do you believe that illegals would continue to come here to have a child, just to abandon them and never see them again?

 

RedDirtWalker and rahl: Or in the hands of relatives or friends.

 

I would hope that everyone is raised to understand that there are consequences for actions they may take. If people know they are breaking the law then yes you say "sorry kids, your parents screwed you" blame them for breaking the law.

 

yea, that's not what we do in a civilized society.

That's the sort of **** religious people preach about their god.

 

It's good enough for American citizens when Mom or Dad goes to jail Rahl. Why exactly isn't it good enough for Non Citizens?
Almost sounds like you think they deserve special treatment.

 

Are these parents jailed for misdemeanors? Because illegal entry in the US is not a felony, nor punishable by incarceration. So your comparison isn't really valid.

 

it's quite valid Rahl. American families get broken up due to the Parents making bad decisions. Non citizens deserve no less. Their families are no more important...some might even make the case that they're less important.


Why should they get a pass for breaking the law?

 

In a civilized society we have rules just like most parents have rules for their children. When those rules are broken there is a consequence to breaking the rules. Could be grounding of a child or imprisonment of an adult. If the adult has kids the kids will depend opon a family member, friend, or the state to take care of them.

This is really basic level 2 year old stuff here, that all parents should be teaching their kids. Not sure what society you live in that has no rules and no consequences for rules. How is it living in a place with no rules......is robbery much of an issue?

 

It isn't, and for the reasons I stated.

The comparison is not valid. These families are being broken up over a misdemeanor. Citizen parents/children are not broken up over misdemeanors.

 

Not for the one who didn't break the rules. A child born on US soil didn't ask to be, nor did they have any control over their parents actions.

And this is a strawman.