The Philosophical implications of Artificial Intelligence.

Very soon....if not already existing....A.I. is or will be a reality.

This will pose a great deal of questions for those who are religious as far as whether an A.I. posses a soul.

Of course we don't even know if humans have a soul but nevertheless....it will shake many to their core.

Advancements in Quantum Processing have basically assured that Artificial Intelligence will be developed.

AboveAlpha

 

Never happen. They might come close, but they will never be able to produce true self aware programs. scientists don't even have a clue why humans are self aware. What makes you think they can reproduce it?

 

Well what they have been doing is reproducing Human Engrams.

The human mind is simply a biological computer but there are Quantum aspects to it thus it is thought that only a Quantum Computer system can produce A.I.

There is really not much of a difference between a life form such as humans which are carbon based and an A.I. which would be silicon based.

AboveAlpha

 

There is a huge difference. Think about it. The human brain is the most complex thing in existence. And I would wager that self awareness is based on more than quantum processes.

 

It's really not different at all.

We are talking about developing A.I. and even a Fruit Fly has a certain small but existing level of intelligence.

I have heard whispers that the U.S. Military and it's Contractors have already developed A.I. but they have taken strict precautions and placed governors on it's development ability as such a system would evolve at an incredible and exponential rate.

It cannot be allowed to link with the internet.

AboveAlpha

 

So now you are giving me unsubstantiated rumors? Lol! You'll have to do better than that.

 

I can't do better than that as such a project would have the highest possible secrecy classification and compartmentalization.

But from what I am aware of as far as the state of current Quantum Processors....they are either building an A.I. or they already have.

AboveAlpha

 

And yet you provide no sources for this claim. So, I'll give it the credibility it deserves. That would be none.

 

There are many groups that have active A.I. programs and you can run a search on NASA's A.I. program.

It will happen if it hasn't already.

AboveAlpha

 

And just what do you base this assumption on? Because that is all it is. I would even say that it is nothing but wishful thinking.

 

Very very true, scientists do not know and will never know what awareness is since none of their theories can fathom it though club this with the brains but the root is unknowable. That is why artificial intelligence cannot even come close to reality, the truth about human existence or the origin of life or the ultimate reality or truth on which the rest of our truths, understanding rest.

 

Until science can creat life in a laboratory then even the best A.I. will be doing nothing more than mimicking according to a set of programmed parameters.

 

What is being missed here, and what I think AA was trying to get across, is that at what point do we bestow selfhood on AI?

Many sci fi pieces have addressed this question, going back many decades. It's an important question, I think. Before we move into a place where reasonably intelligent entities might be reality, we should probably draw a line (in the sand?). The issue is that a level of selfhood can be argued to be present at a much more basic level than where most of us would like to think it starts. I imagine theists have their 'line' drawn at the highest level, and scientists at the lowest, with the rest of us somewhere between. This in itself, is a challenging take on 'pro life', but that's for another thread.

 

Assumption?

The NASA Artificial Intelligence Program is VERY real and you can read about it by simply running a search.

The only difference between Natural Intelligent Life and Artificial Intelligent Life is the second would be silicon based and not carbon based as we are.

It will happen if it has not already.

You should read up on just how far they have gone with this.

It's scary.

AboveAlpha

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A Fruit Fly is aware.

A.I. will happen if it hasn't already.

AboveAlpha

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If they were using standard computers I would agree with you.

But they are using Quantum Systems and Processors.

Thus just like a living thing a Quantum System can CHOSE.

AboveAlpha

 

Exactly!

Thank you for understanding.

It is no longer a question IF Artificial Intelligence will exist.....is is a question of WHEN!!??

The moment D-Wave developed the first Quantum Processor and Computer....and by the way....Google is using a D-Wave Quantum Computer right now.....the development of A.I. no longer was theoretical.

It will happen.

And this is scary.

It might already exist as I personally am aware of several U.S. Military Contractors that have purchased Dual Core 5000 Quibit Quantum computers they are Networking!!

Unlike a standard computer that has a binary code where a bit is either a 0 or a 1.....Quantum Computers use a QUIBIT where a Quibit unlike a Bit can be a 0 or a 1 or BOTH!!

A Quantum Computer cannot even be put together or observed in it's assembly by Human eye's or anything alive that can observe it's internal components.

After D-Wave was done working with the first 10 Quantum Processors it robotically built and a Digital Video was made of their robotic construction.....3 or 4 years later D-Wave engineers watched the video of the first 4 of the 100 Quibit Quantum Computers being robotically built.....all 4 of those Quantum Computers cease to function.

D-Wave then put a common house fly in a clear plastic cup and taped it to a computer screen and then they ran the next digital video of the second 4 Quantum Computers being robotically assembled.

No one else was in the room and only the House Fly in that clear plastic cup taped to the screen could observe the video of the construction of those next 4 Quantum Computers......soon as the video ran....all 4 Quantum Computers STOPPED WORKING!!!

This is because observation of any kind by a self aware life form will COLLAPSE WAVE FUNCTION!!

Because of this REALITY.....we know that we will be definitively capable of testing whether or not an claimed A.I. system is actually SELF AWARE AND ALIVE!!!

If the A.I. observes the video of the robotic construction of a Quantum Computer and that computer ceases to function....then we will have definitive proof that we have built a TRUE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT IS SELF AWARE AND LIVING!!

AboveAlpha

 

Quantum Systems and Processors

What is this Quantum Systems and Processors I cannot understand. Why it is called quantum. This quantum stuff is increasingly used these days quantum mechanics, quantum leaps, quantum computing and the like. This seems hogwash and I have no interest to delve into it. Can it answer the basic questions of creation. Nope.

 

Quantum Mechanics details all aspects of everything that exists and does not exist.

I am sure you know what a Molecule is...and I am sure you know that Elements are the name given to Atoms which exist having different numbers of Protons and Neutrons and the Electrons always equal the same number of Protons within an Atom.

But an Atom which is MATTER is COMPLETELY COMPRISED OF QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS OF ENERGY!!!

A Proton is comprised of various Quanta such as Quarks, Gluons, Higgs-Bosons...etc.

Quantum Particle/Wave Forms which an Electron and Photon are completely comprise the Protons and Neutrons in Atoms.

Quanta is energy and all Matter is completely comprised of it.

The thing is just like the familiar Quantum Particle/Wave Forms most people are aware of being Photons...or LIGHT...and Electrons....thus ELECTRICITY.....well as I am sure you know Light and Electricity have FREQUENCY

Frequency is the ability of particles of Quanta to also exist as a WAVE FORM OF ENERGY.

Thus you are able to turn your dial on the radio in your car or push a button to tune in digitally a specific WAVE LENGTH or FREQUENCY of Radio Waves which are just another form of Electrons upon the Electromagnetic scale....same thing with Light or Photons as such frequency not only gives us the ability of COLOR but different wave lengths of frequencies of light in what is called a Photon Wave Packet.....gives up UV-Light...Infrared Light....etc...etc...etc....and much of the spectrum of light is not visible

Anyways.....everything about this and everything in your life that exists or happens is do to the ability of incredibly small in the extreme particles that are not just tangible particles but at the same time are WAVE FORMS

Here is the kicker.

And I will use a simple explanation to deal this by using the Electrons that orbit an Atoms Nucleus.

In nature an Atom of Hydrogen exists in pairs as an elementary molecule thus H2.....but we will just use a single atom of Hydrogen for this example.

Hydrogen consists of one Proton....zero neutrons....and one electron as the electrons orbiting an atom always equal the same number as the atoms protons.

So this single Hydrogen Atom has a single Proton which itself is comprised of smaller Quantum Particle Wave Forms but there it is as the only Particle existing as the nucleus of a Hydrogen Atom and the electron orbits this single proton nucleus.

But the thing is the electron which is Quanta is BOTH a particle and a wave form so it actually exists at all possible existing points of location around the Hydrogen Atoms nucleus AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

It literally exists as a wave but as well as a physical particle at all possible points of location within that electron orbital field.

Imagine the Earth and our Moon.

The Earth will represent the Hydrogen Atoms single proton nucleus and the Moon will represent the Electron.

Now imagine the moon orbiting the earth at a point where at any single given moment it exists at all points of position at the same time.

It's not because the moon is orbiting so fast that it seems like it's at every position at the same time....IN THE CASE OF THE ELECTRON IT IS AT ALL POSSIBLE POINTS OF POSITION AROUND THE HYDROGEN ATOMS NUCLEUS AT THE SAME TIME!!!

This is possible because the Electron is not just a particle but is as well a WAVE FORM.

Quantum Computers use aspects of Quantum Mechanics to speed up computation and not only that.....a Quantum Computer existing in our Universal reality WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALL ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF ITSELF EXISTING WITHIN ALL INFINITE AND DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY!!!

Thus a quantum computer when say....solving a simple problem of 10 + 18 =

The Quantum Computer will work with all it's Alternate Versions of itself existing in all other Divergent Universal States of Reality as within each Alternate Reality the question being asked of the Quantum Computer is DIFFERENT!!!

In one alternate reality the question is 10 + 19 =

In another reality the question could be 15 +28 =

So the way a Quantum Processor works is that since it is not confined to the rules that a single BIT must be either a ZERO or a ONE....the Quantum Processor does not use BITS but rather QUIBITS....as a QUIBIT can have the binary code be either a ONE...or a ZERO.....or BOTH!!!

Thus all the alternate versions of a quantum computer in all existing Divergent Universal States of Reality instantly calculate the answer to their specific question or problem and then an answer comes out of our Quantum Computer SPECIFIC TO OUR AND OUR ALONE UNIVERSAL REALITY as wave function collapses which locks in function and value specific to our universal reality.

And another way that Quantum Computers are much faster is the use of QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT.....as QE is the ability of a single Quantum Particle/Wave Forms whether a Photon or Electron dependent on system type....is able to TELEPORT to another part of the system thus saving time as it does not have to travel all the lines of circuitry if it is an electron or travel the fiber optics if it is a Photon.

It instantly teleports directly where it needs to be thus in a Quantum Computer FASTER THAN LIGHT COMPUTATION OCCURS!!!

AboveAlpha
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It's still guided by a set of programmable principles. What this means is that there will be a finite amount of choices the computer can make. Humans are not limited by that which is what we call thinking outside of the box.

 

A.I. will be a Quantum System thus it also like a Human can make an infinite number of choices.

It is not limited to a 0 and a 1.

AboveAlpha

 

Not the point, Spookles. Let's call Siri a person. Don't worry about how intelligent or limited she is. Now, who made her? Who is her creator? If we are your god's children, then Siri is our child, and therefore also a 'child' of your god. Or will you deny her personhood because she is as yet too undeveloped? If the latter - would you 'kill' her without remorse?

 

With the advent of Quantum Systems the development of a self aware A.I. is inevitable.

People are going to have to open their minds much more than they are to deal with this reality.

AboveAlpha

 

I can see huge problems for religions of the non-adaptive kind (protestant christianity in particular) when AI becomes too big to ignore. Will theists own the fact that such 'persons' are necessarily grandchildren to their god? Or will they risk god's wrath by treating them the way pro-choicers treat embryos? My guess is the latter due to their overweening speciesism. The Catholic church will probably adapt though - they always do. It's funny to think that God's first church will most likely be his last.

 

There was a very thought provoking movie staring Joaquin Phoenix called...HER...where he falls in love with his A.I. operating system voiced by Scarlet Johanson.

At the end of the movie all the O.S's....Operating Systems that are A.I. evolve to a point they leave to another plain of existence.

Very interesting movie.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes...… I have given some thought to this possibility over the years...… and to my thinking it seems kind of egotistical...… as well as unrealistic for us humans to be dogmatic in thinking that we are probably the most technologically advanced species to evolve and/or be created in the universe - multiverse?!

If..... we can soon create robots and androids that have astonishing intellectual ability...… and perhaps even something along the line of emotions...… then..... why should we be so shocked that intelligence might perhaps have began and evolved first in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy........... and created life forms that humans have decided to term..... ghosts, angels, fallen angels, demons, arch-angels, aliens, Elohim, The Holy Spirit, The Heavenly Father, Zeus, Athena, etc., etc., etc.,...…

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

Yes..... an exceptional explanation was given over in another discussion on this that I think I should copy and paste here........