The Philosophical implications of Artificial Intelligence.

Can I say an actual A.I. system currently exists?

No....this is Top-Secret and compartmentalized to such a degree perhaps only 10 people know the full extent of it.

But given the tiny amount I do know....I think they already have developed it.

AboveAlpha

 

I have rather suspected the same thing!

A twenty or thirty year delay at least would probably be a reasonable guess as to the amount of time between when certain technology is well understood by five to ten people.......... and when it becomes available to a significant percentage of experts in the scientific community.

I would like for you to pass on to some of your friends a theory for this new A. I. to digest.........…

(I just noticed something quite interesting about this particular discussion....... only 212 views so far..... but 51 responses....... that is more than double the ten percent usual response rate for even the most interesting topic. You have really tapped into an idea that we find fascinating AboveAlpha)!

http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...eory-modern-world-problems-even-possible.html

Is a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems even possible?

 

From what I have read of near death experience accounts..... the human soul - spirit - higher dimensional hard drive, seems to predate our human birth by an astonishing amount of "time."

I may have taken him wrong........... but former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Benedict seems to imply that a part of his own soul - spirit - hard drive........ was there in many, many "beginnings" as new universes were formed.

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html

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The Void

I find it rather interesting that a man can flatline for ninety minutes...… have brain cancer....... and yet come back with a report that corresponds with some of the best philosophy and theology that is available at the very best universities!

 

Well, the better question seems to me what function does the soul have to the human body?

[personal theory incoming...]

If life, thoughts, emotions, ambitions, and mannerisms can be reproduced in an artificial machine without a soul, then that means the soul does not determine these things. Our concept of soul might have been the general place-holder of the more accurate process of life we now have and in that sense- yeah- both AI and human beings...and animals, plants, and insects have a soul since they are able to function with varying levels of independence from their creators- but none of the above are fully independent. Some people suggest that the human ability to kill itself is proof that humans are masters of themselves, but this is not true when you realize that "humanity" is not in the body, but we are a diverse pool of genetic information that sustains/protects itself by diffusing along a variety of genetic paths to increase it's cahnce of surviving external calamities (climate, disease, etc)

 

They have not, nor ever will, be able to duplicate or figure out the brain. An A.I. robot or cyborg will be easily visible.

 

1000 cubits contain more bits of information than there are atoms in the known universe. Imagine a quantum computer with one tera(cu)byte of memory.

Besides which the whole way it operates is different. I have no idea if we will achieve AI, but it won't be a hardware problem.

 

The actual time between development to it beginning to leak out is roughly 12 years not 20 or 30 in most cases. Its probably even lower then than now with how much access we have to information.

Eventually everything needs to move out of that laboratory, with some exceptions of course, and it rarely would take that process as long as 30 years.

 

never say never, they are already making little robots with actual brain matter

makes one wonder, what give the brain the ability to think and decide actions

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Wouldn't it make more sense to try and find a way to infuse that cubit power into the human brain?

 

If the resource requirements for a large-scale digital consciousness memory capacity and processor are beyond what is known to be available according to current scientific knowledge, then we will have to let that concern remain were it has resided, in metaphysics, until better understanding is achieved.

However, there are indications that the metaphysical implementation is not hindered by the apparent obstacles. People have mentally accessed the past actualized history data banks of the digital consciousness system and sometimes triggered branching of new timelines that were experienced and performed within as if totally real even though such were just temporary simulations. The system is also able to calculate possible future scenarios and store probable/significant branches that people are also able to access and sometimes trigger and experience temporary alternative simulations.

 

I posted there Dennis.

AboveAlpha

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We don't know if a soul exists and may never know.

But an true A.I. would be self aware.

AboveAlpha

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Who is talking about a Robot or Cyborg?

By the way...a Cyborg has a human Brain!!

A.I. would be Artificial Intelligence and it is either here or coming.

AboveAlpha

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Quibits...not Cubits. LOL!!

It's OK though.....

AboveAlpha

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QUIBIT!! Jeeze!

AboveAlpha

 

Sorry about the spelling, I have mostly watched D-wave (is that spelled right?) and NASA/Google news releases for what I know about quantum computers. It sounds like "cubit"..... I guess now I know

 

Yeah...a BIT must be either a 0 or 1.

A QUIBIT can be a 0 or 1 or BOTH.

AboveAlpha

 

Yep, thats what I heard. The multiplier effect every time you add 1 more (qubit) was what blew me away.

D-Wave has been operating for two years now? Has anyone made progress on broader application software for it? As far as I know all they do is trouble shoot code for automated systems on new military jets. Are they doing more and if not why?

As far as your OP goes I think there will have to be a bit of merging for both AI and humans to co-exist. How that will happen is wild speculation, but take my wife's smartphone away from her and its like you cut her brain in half, so I think its already started.

So, I think it will most likely be something similar to the Borg, with allowances for individual thinking, rather than peaceful co-existence like it is with Data. I just can't see humans accepting being a lower form of intelligence. Whether that has to lead to a loss of individuality I can't say. I tend to think that large groups of individuals have a positive impact on problem solving in general, hopefully our AI companions see it that way too.

 

Of the very little I know...about the reality...not what some people think....they have taken extraordinary steps to ensure any A.I. system cannot access the Net.

They have also placed Developmental Governors upon such systems as they would evolve exponentially at such a rate we could not keep up.

This is absolutely Top-Secret....and the U.S. Military and their Contractors have been working on such programs for decades.

AboveAlpha

 

The philosophical break down is this:

Once the AI surpasses humans the humans aren't special anymore.

And by rights the highest form of life is the one that's special and everyone else is a lower form of animal. To be done with however the highest form of life wants to treat them.

 

Tat's why this is so dangerous.

AboveAlpha

 

Which is one of the reasons why we humans can learn so much from A. I......

perhaps in at least some sense we are also a form of A. I. from a different perspective....

and we also.... .can be dangerous indeed......

 

The main limitation to begin with is an issue of processing and the lack of the cores in conventional processors required to take on the amount of multitasking and reasoning capacity of the human brain. Which may be solved by Quantum Processing, once the processing power is there, then yes A.I. is inevitable.

 

Well I have stated that any real A.I. would have to be a Quantum System.

The company D-Wave has already sold a 5000 Quibit Quantum Processor to Google.

The Human Brain does in fact work as a Quantum Processor as our thinking deals with Indeterminate Calculations.

AA

 

A.I. (IMO) would have to be totally biogenic. A replica of our brain so to speak. Think about it. Our brain is inexorably connected to our senses which are bio-electric sensors. In order for any A.I. to be truly intelligent, it will need raw input from an array of sensors.

 

Well.....we could use the design of Human Engrams which they are already doing and use this design in a Quantum A.I. system.

A.I. would definitely need Quantum Computational capabilities but the Human Brain is outmoded as far as design as it is specific to run biological system which is our Bio-mechanical human bodies.

AA

 

Good article on why theories about the brain being like a computer are possibly completely misguided.

https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer

 

Well the Human Brain does have many aspects to it that can be compared to a computer.

An Example is the Human Subconscious.

Now the Subconscious Mind stores all sensory data and thought coming in and occurring thus all the sensory data from a persons senses such as the eye's, nose, tongue, our touch, ears.....all that data is stored in the Subconscious mind.

Now back awhile I thought I was having a stroke but what it was in reality was a rare Feline to Human transmitted virus that gave me the worse vertigo imaginable.

The whole damn world was spinning and this was right after New England Patriot Linebacker Teddy Bruschi almost died as he had a hole in his heart and he had a minor stroke which he waited too long to get to the Hospital.

So it was right after that and I had really bad Vertigo and as I have been shot before working in the field I thought perhaps that might be causing me to have a blood clot as so they took me to the Hospital where a very nice lady Doc gave me a CT scan.

She gave me the scan and after about 25 minutes as I lay down waiting for the results she and 2 other Doctors came in the room and told me they had to do the CT scan again!!

Now I know a great deal about the world of Medicine and ER care and I KNOW....the ONLY reason you take another CT scan is either because the first one is blurred because the patient was moving....and I knew I did not move at all....and the other reason is the patient has something VERY WRONG going on in their head or brain.

They took the 2nd scan and I was freaking out making peace with my life until about 3 minutes later the Lady Doc and a few other Doctors came in and started asking me questions.

She asked...

Are you left or right handed?....I answered BOTH.

Are you more a creative person or are you more math and science minded?/....I answered...BOTH.

She said.....THAT FIGURES!!

I was freaking out and asked what was wrong with me??

She told me that I would be OK as I just had that Feline to Human Virus that had already forced dozens of people to go to the ER.

So I asked...."So why the 2 CT scans??"

She said...."We took the first one and just wanted to be sure so we took a 2nd one."

NOW...I was absolutely making peace with the Universe thinking..."This is it!!"

Until she said...."You know you have a huge and very dense neural connectivity between your left and right brain hemispheres and none of us have ever seen anything like it"

So this is why I am a Lucid Dreamer and this is why I can many times access my subconscious mind which is in effect a DATA STORAGE AREA...as I can remember the tinniest details about things and is also why I know so much about so many things as I absorb and retain everything.

AA

 

Good points but, we still cannot replicate the human brain's processing power. I am thinking that connection to sensors might be the thing that makes A.I. viable along with a free-wheeling OS.