As far as southern democrats, only 1% ever switched parties. Depending how old you are, the south started turning red with the attraction of business from the north around the 70s. Lots of people up here had the choice to get severance or move down south with the company. At that time moving south meant the old south. Companies moving south now means moving to Mexico.
He was a famous POPULIST, along the lines of a modern John Edwards, learn the difference. And also he was whoever he believed would get him the most votes, you know an opportunist. He saw his segregationist populist movement dying while the liberals were taking over the Democrat party. That was the opportunity he sought but was rejected of course by conservatives who saw through it. He of course stayed a Democrat and then became a liberal pandering to the black vote which go him elected Governor.
In the context of race, party affiliation, and political demographics...it was the result of a conscious strategy at the time, described by the strategists at the time. Richard Nixon's campaign strategist, Kevin Philips, wrote about it in his 1969 book, The Emerging Republican Majority. The realignment of black voters to the Democratic party—as it embraced both them and liberal positions on Civil Rights—wasn't a bug, it was a feature, as Philips and Nixon understood and Philips wrote about right after the previous election: When Democratic presidential nominees win 80% to 95% of the African American vote, it's not a plot by liberals or some great mystery. It is, in part, the historical legacy of a deliberate political strategy; we know this because the actual Republican political strategists involved have told us as much—at the time they were pursuing the strategy. - Credit to margms
Yes, he was trying to conserve the way most democrats from Andrew Jackson to Robert Byrd loved discrimination, white pride, segregation, and slavery. This is a totally different political ideology than what republicans have ever held, and the GOP has never tried to conserve the democratic platforms that are laced through American history. "Conservatism" is not monolithic. Different people, groups, countries, try to conserve different things. Wallace never was a republican, and never would be.
And who did he appeal to? And who gave him their votes? Former confederate states and conservative segregationists. And "Mr. Conservative" -- Barry Goldwater...was he for or against the Civil Rights act of 1964? You know the answer. The Solid Conservative South, who had historically never voted for a Republican, since like ...never - voted for the anti Civil Rights Act Presidential candidate in droves, and continued to vote for Republicans (with quite a number of those Southern states voting for Wallace in 1968 - who had to change party affiliation to get the votes...) --yet, somehow, I guess, this swath of voters in 1964 (88% voting for Goldwater in MS, for example) -- were ...different. What color are the majority of those former Confederate states today?
That's a great question. I'm registered GOP, but not one (pro legalization of pretty much everything, pro abortion, atheist), more of an anti central government Jeffersonian-Lockean. And the answer? I would not have been a member or supporter of either party then. Both parties and their representatives did heinously immoral things. Remember that hindsight is always 20/20 though in evaluating whatever answers you receive. Perhaps the best we can do today is to learn from the past, not dwell in it. If so many lie narratives weren't perpetuated by the LW every election about dog whistles, party-switching, pervasive racism, Southern Strategy, GOP seeking a return of Jim Crow, GOP and the KKK, GOP and Nazis, I have no doubt these types of discussions would be dead letter or of historical importance only. Those lie narratives exist and are trotted out near daily, so we have threads like this one.
So what? It is ancient history. And, there is nothing "secret" about it--unless one is totally devoid of the understanding of US history (that, or they can't read).
Utterly and completely debunked in long thread after long thread here. Do run off and google "Southern Strategy" some more and cutpaste what you find here. I and others have driven the above lie narrative right into the ground. Anything you could google up and cut paste has been dealt with in one of these two threads... conclusively. http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/398066-myth-southern-strategy-part-ii.html http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/386881-myth-southern-strategy.html A few REAL reasons the white Southern vote changed to the GOP: 1. Economic reasons, the South was poverty ridden for over 100 years after the CW. As it regained prosperity in the 60s to date, more and more voters found the lower tax policies of the GOP more appealing than the high tax policies of the Democrats. 2. Abortion, the South is more antiabortion than elsewhere due to several factors. The Party of Abortion lost lots of Southern votes on its persistence in supporting completely unregulated abortions. 3. Viet Nam, the South, the cradle of our country's military, perceived Democrats as getting us into Viet Nam and not bringing the war to a conclusion that would save American life. Endless Democrat disrespect of our military and soldiers... that goes on today still... didn't help matters. 4. Youth Culture and 60s Libertinism, the South is not fond of hippies, SJWs and their trivial, spoiled issues, often entirely fabricated like feminism for example, and indulging notions like "free love" does not set well with more religious people. 5. Gun Rights, nuff said. 6. Destroying the Nuclear Family Unit, via subsidized AND ENCOURAGED out of wedlock children we all must pay for on an institutional scale. 7. Butt of Jokes, racist labeling, The MSM branch of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-MSM Complex has been making the South the butt of unfair jokes and generalizations, and the LW today constantly refers to "the racist south" at every opportunity. It's all over these boards. That kind of pure bigotry doesn't earn votes from Southerners. Those are the real reasons, unlike the horsesht Southern Strategy, they are well-documented and understood. But sure, LW, keep spouting utter manure about dog (bigfoot whistles) and the most scanty abstract kind of circumstantial evidence. Not only does it make you look doctrinaire and ignorant when you do it, it loses you more and more votes.
The same base that always found his appeal segregationist populist who then died away and then blacks who elected him governor again. Are you really ignorant of the fact the South was made up mostly of Populist NOT Conservatives and the segregationist were POPULIST. Barry Goldwater who as a business owner in Pheonix AZ helped to lead the way in anti-descriminatory practices in Pheonix and was one of the first to inegrate his own workforce? Governor Barry Goldwater who was the first governor to desegretate the National Guard by executive action even before Truman did so for the US Military? That Barry Goldwater. Do you know why he opposed THAT particular bill? Yes the South since the mid-70's, long after the segregationist of the Democrat party finally lost their battle where they had found a home in that Democrat party NOT the Republican party. What does that have to do with 1963? Let's go to the real strategist at the time Pat Buchannan "Now, as a co-architect of the Nixon strategy that gave the GOP a lock on the White House for a quarter century, let me say that Kristol’s opportunism is matched only by his ignorance. Richard Nixon kicked off his historic comeback in 1966 with a column on the South (by this writer) that declared we would build our Republican Party on a foundation of states rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense, and leave it to the “party of Maddox, Mahoney and Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.” In that ’66 campaign, Nixon – who had been thanked personally by Dr. King for his help in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1957 – endorsed all Republicans, except members of the John Birch Society. In 1968, Nixon chose Spiro Agnew for vice president. Why? Agnew had routed George (“Your home is your castle!” Mahoney for governor of Maryland but had also criticized civil-rights leaders who failed to condemn the riots that erupted after the assassination of King. The Agnew of 1968 was both pro-civil rights and pro-law and order. When the ’68 campaign began, Nixon was at 42 percent, Humphrey at 29 percent, Wallace at 22 percent. When it ended, Nixon and Humphrey were tied at 43 percent, with Wallace at 13 percent. The 9 percent of the national vote that had been peeled off from Wallace had gone to Humphrey. Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon – who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand: * raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent; * doubled the budget for black colleges; * appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions than any president, including LBJ; * adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; * invented “Black Capitalism” (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent; * raised the share of Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, “It has only been since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation has taken place in the South.” The charge that we built our Republican coalition on race is a lie. Nixon routed the left because it had shown itself incompetent to win or end a war into which it had plunged the United States and too befuddled or cowardly to denounce the rioters burning our cities or the brats rampaging on our campuses." http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-neocons-and-nixons-southern-strategy-512
The secret part comes from the Democrat efforts to revise history removing things like: -Why the Republican party was founded; to oppose slavery -Why The KKK was founded; as a voter imtimdation arm of the Democrat party -Who the first Black Congressmen were; Republicans -How Democrats opposed absolition -How Democrats opposed Black voting -How modern Democrats opposed Civil Rights -How modern Democrats kept membership in the KKK -How modern Democrats perpetuate the racist permanent underclass Face it. Democrat Party = The ultimate body of institutional racism humanity has ever known.
Um... a multi-millionaire has all kinds of experience over a community organizer and one time state senator.
The deliberate political strategy was to not work on the black vote since they already voted 95% democrat. Though wrong, the liberals reinvented it to be a specifically racist strategy.
The left likes to keep people dependent on government, so they can get their vote to continue to take care of them. Most of these people are minorities. That's about as racist as one gets.
There is a reason for that. The left's entire purpose is to pit one group of people against the other and tell them that voting for the left will fix what ever problem they dreamed up.
You haven't done squat, except in your own mind. The Southern Strategy was real -- GW Bush owned u to it, as well as two RNC chair's, who apologized for it. That and the fact the GOP is overwhelmingly white. You can pretend it's "debunked" all day long. It doesn't change the historical - and current - record.
Power. Where it's at. There were seven African Americans in Congress 1900 -1965 Oscar Stanton De Priest Republican Illinois 1929-1935 Arthur W. Mitchell Democrat Illinois 1935-1943 William L. Dawson Democrat Illinois 1943-1970 Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. Democrat New York 1945-1967, 1967-1971 Charles Diggs Democrat Michigan 1955-1980 Robert N.C. Nix, Sr. Democrat Pennsylvania 1958-1979 John Conyers Democrat Michigan 1965-present All but one: Democrat. The Republican party as a whole used to be more liberal (take a look at party platforms before 1965) We know since the about the mid sixties, the ideology shifted more and more Conservative - as a whole. So how has that shaken out when it comes to which party elects blacks to positions of Power? 1965, to the present: Edward Brooke Republican -Mass. 1967-1979 Bill Clay Democrat Missouri 1969-2001 Louis Stokes Democrat Ohio 1969-1999 Shirley Chisholm Democrat New York 1969-1983 George W. Collins Democrat Illinois 1970-1972 Ron Dellums Democrat California 1971-1998 Ralph Metcalfe Democrat Illinois 1971-1978 Parren Mitchell Democrat Maryland 1971-1987 Charles B. Rangel Democrat New York 1971-present Yvonne Brathwaite Burke Democrat California 1973-1979 Cardiss Collins Democrat Illinois 1973-1997 Barbara Jordan Democrat Texas 1973-1979 Andrew Young Democrat Georgia 1973-1977 Harold Ford, Sr. Democrat Tennessee 1975-1997 Julian C. Dixon Democrat California 1979-2000 William H. Gray, III Democrat Pennsylvania 1979-1991 Mickey Leland Democrat Texas 1979-1989 Bennett M. Stewart Democrat Illinois 1979-1981 George W. Crockett, Jr. Democrat Michigan 1980-1991 Mervyn M. Dymally Democrat California 1981-1993 Gus Savage Democrat Illinois 1981-1993 Harold Washington Democrat Illinois 1981-1983 Katie Hall Democrat Indiana 1982-1985 Major Owens Democrat New York 1983-2007 Ed Towns Democrat New York 1983-present Alan Wheat Democrat Missouri 1983-1995 Charles Hayes Democrat Illinois 1983-1993 Alton R. Waldon, Jr. Democrat New York 1986-1987 Mike Espy Democrat Mississippi 1987-1993 Floyd H. Flake Democrat New York 1987-1998 John Lewis Democrat Georgia 1987-present Kweisi Mfume Democrat Maryland 1987-1996 Donald M. Payne Democrat New Jersey 1989-present Craig Anthony Washington Democrat Texas 1989-1995 Barbara-Rose Collins Democrat Michigan 1991-1997 Gary Franks Republican Connecticut 1991-1997 William J. Jefferson Democrat Louisiana 1991-2009 Maxine Waters Democrat California 1991-present Lucien E. Blackwell Democrat Pennsylvania 1991-1995 Eva M. Clayton Democrat North Carolina 1992-2003 Sanford Bishop Democrat Georgia 1993-presen Carol Mosely Braun Democrat Illinois 1993-1999 Corrine Brown Democrat Florida 1993-present Jim Clyburn Democrat South Carolina 1993-present Cleo Fields Democrat Louisiana 1993-1997 Alcee Hastings Democrat Florida 1993-present Earl Hilliard Democrat Alabama 1993-2003 Eddie Bernice Johnson Democrat Texas 1993-present Cynthia McKinney Democrat Georgia 1993-2003, 2005-2007 Carrie P. Meek Democrat Florida 1993-2003 Mel Reynolds Democrat Illinois 1993-1995 Bobby Rush Democrat Illinois 1993-present Robert C. Scott Democrat Virginia 1993-present Walter Tucker Democrat California 1993-1995 Mel Watt Democrat North Carolina 1993-present Albert Wynn Democrat Maryland 1993-2008 Bennie Thompson Democrat Mississippi 1993-present Chaka Fattah Democrat Pennsylvania 1995-present Sheila Jackson-Lee Democrat Texas 1995-present J. C. Watts Republican Oklahoma 1995-2003 Jesse Jackson, Jr. Democrat Illinois 1995-present Juanita Millender-McDonald Democrat California 1996-2007 Elijah Cummings Democrat Maryland 1996-present Julia Carson Democrat Indiana 1997-2007 Danny K. Davis Democrat Illinois 1997-present Harold Ford, Jr. Democrat Tennessee 1997-2007 Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick Democrat Michigan 1997-present Gregory W. Meeks Democrat New York 1998-present Barbara Lee Democrat California 1998-present Stephanie Tubbs Jones Democrat Ohio 1999-2008 William Lacy Clay, Jr. Democrat Missouri 2001-present Diane Watson Democrat California 2001-present Frank Ballance Democrat North Carolina 2003-2004 Artur Davis Democrat Alabama 2003-present Denise Majette Democrat Georgia 2003-2005 Kendrick Meek Democrat Florida 2003-present David Scott Democrat Georgia 2003-present G. K. Butterfield Democrat North Carolina 2004-present Emanuel Cleaver Democrat Missouri 2005-present Al Green Democrat Texas 2005-present Gwen Moore Democrat Wisconsin 2005-present Barack Obama Democrat -Illinois 2005-2008 Yvette D. Clarke Democrat New York 2007-present Keith Ellison Democrat Minnesota 2007-present Hank Johnson Democrat Georgia 2007-present Laura Richardson Democrat California 2007-present André Carson Democrat Indiana 2008-present Donna Edwards Democrat Maryland 2008-present Marcia Fudge Democrat Ohio 2008-present Roland Burris Democrat -Illinois 2009-2010 Allen West Republican Florida 2011–2013 Hansen Clarke Democrat Michigan 2011–2013 Tim Scott Republican South Carolina 2011–2013, 2014-present Cedric Richmond Democrat Louisiana 2011–present Frederica Wilson Democrat Florida 2011–present Karen Bass Democrat California 2011–present Terri Sewell Democrat Alabama 2011–present Donald Payne, Jr. Democrat New Jersey 2012–present Hakeem Jeffries Democrat New York 2013–present Joyce Beatty Democrat Ohio 2013–present Steven Horsford Democrat Nevada 2013–2015 Robin Kelly Democrat Illinois 2013–present Alma Adams Democrat North Carolina 2013–present Will Hurd Republican Texas 2015–present Brenda Lawrence Democrat Michigan 2015–present Mia Love Republican Utah 2015–present Bonnie Watson Coleman Democrat New Jersey 2015–present By my count - 114 African Americans in Congress since 1900. --> Eight republicans. The balance: 106 Democrats.
Unresponsive, dealt with, thoroughly and conclusively in the linked threads and prior posts to this thread. BTW, there will almost surely be a deluge of "Southern Strategy" and "GOP racist" threads posted to the main two subforums as the election draws near, and since -this- thread, unlike all the "GOP = racists" threads and the equivalent that are spammed to this forum, was designated to be moved to the backwaters here, I'll be reporting every single such "GOP racist" thread that pops up every hour on the hour... just to help the mods out, as they would surely get around to moving -those- threads here, just need a little help. pfft
So, Trump said "Jorge Ramos", and that means that his comments about illegals extend to legal immigrants?
Since by 65 95% of blacks were voting democrat, even for racist democrats, why would this surprise you?
You mean the ones who could vote. Wanna tell us a little bit about the Voting Rights Act of 1965? Or do you need a primer? The Voting Rights Act, signed into law by President Lyndon Johnson (1908-73) on August 6, 1965, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote under the 15th Amendment (1870) to the Constitution of the United States. [h=3]Voting Rights Act - Black History - HISTORY.com[/h] "In a speech to a joint session of Congress on March 15, 1965, the president outlined the devious ways in which election officials denied African-American citizens the vote. Blacks attempting to vote often were told by election officials that they had gotten the date, time or polling place wrong, that they possessed insufficient literacy skills or that they had filled out an application incorrectly. Blacks, whose population suffered a high rate of illiteracy due to centuries of oppression and poverty, often would be forced to take literacy tests, which they inevitably failed. Johnson also told Congress that voting officials, primarily in Southern states, had been known to force black voters to “recite the entire Constitution or explain the most complex provisions of state laws,” a task most white voters would have been hard-pressed to accomplish. In some cases, even blacks with college degrees were turned away from the polls."
I guess the overwhelming thought by the leftist is, if blacks support it, it cant be racist. Guess that's why they loved slavery so much, even blacks owned slaves, even in the south.
You misspelled Southern Conservatives. The House approved this conference report version of the bill on August 3 by a 328-74 vote (Democrats 217-54, Republicans 111-20),and the Senate passed it on August 4 by a 79-18 vote (Democrats 49-17, Republicans 30-1). On August 6, Democratic President Johnson signed the Act into law with King, Rosa Parks, John Lewis, and other civil rights leaders in attendance at the signing ceremony. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965
