The Resurrection and the Death of Atheism

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    Every religion mentions sin. The Christian God provided a way out.
     
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    So you claim, but your logic about something not being able to come from nothing, and needing a designer conflicts directly with your claim about your God. Its special pleading 101.
     
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    The universe cannot be eternal. The universe not being eternal is why there is a God. You say there is no God because who created God, but the atheist idea of how the universe came into existence teaches infinite regress. https://creation.com/who-created-god

     
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    THAT is your response when called on special pleading???

    There isn't an "atheist" cosmology.

    Atheists don't place requirements that cosmology must meet, as you are proposing.
     
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    The question who created God implies who created that being which implies infinite regress. There being no God means that the singularity would have infinite regress because where did it come from. There is a self existing God who created everything with a design and a purpose.
     
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    That does not compute. First, why can't he universe be eternal? You're assuming it can't be. Second, if it can't be that only means there was a start of it. That doesn't say anything about a God, unless all you mean by "God" is whatever was at the start. That wouldn't have to be intelligent much less your personal God being.

    There is no "atheist idea of how the universe came into existence". You are addressing a straw man.
     
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    Atheists believe that the singularity is how the universe came into existence. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm

     
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    Just because your Jesus website says something doesn't make it so. I know many atheists. I don't know many who speak of singularities. Most are humble enough to admit they don't know how the universe came to be. It would be nice if you could be that humble too.

    Yes. Yes it could. Given the size of the universe, it actually is quite likely that somewhere in it there would be precisely these conditions. Maybe in multiple places even.
     
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    Yeah, those 100 pound hailstones will be something to experience.
     
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    Atheists believe that the universe came into existence because of the singularity. It takes more faith to believe in the singularity, that everything came out of nothing, than to believe that a self existing God created everything with a design and a purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity
     
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    Your claim that atheists believe the universe came into existence because of a singularity, that everything came out of nothing, is false. There is nothing to atheism that requires that belief.

    You are claiming to read minds with this statement, and you are failing to do so accurately.

    You also appear to be speaking here of faith as something the more one has the less likely they are to be right about something. Is that what you are saying? Note I am seeking clarification rather than trying to project a false position onto you.
     
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    Who created God also asks the question who created the singularity. It takes more faith to believe that the universe was created from a singularity than to believe it was created by a self existing eternal Godhead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity

     
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    Not necessarily.

    No, it really doesn’t. Those two claims aren’t even mutually exclusive.
     
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    The singularity, if true, is evidence for God's existence. https://reasonsforjesus.com/3-big-reasons-believe-god-exists/

     
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    The Big Bang is more a description, actually a best guess, at what happened. It doesn’t imply any cause and it doesn’t say anything about what if anything came before it.

    The universe is expanding. It appears to have come from a single point, by our current best guess. That doesn’t mean it necessary had a beginning and isn’t cyclical, etc.

    It certainly says nothing about any “creation”, much less about your claimed God. It neither proves nor disproves your God claim.
     
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    It's not important whether the universe is expanding. https://creation.com/bible-cosmological-expansion

     
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    First of all, there is really no question that our universe is expanding in the manner discovered in 1999 - when it was discovered that not only is this universe expanding, but it is expanding at an increasing rate.

    Since then, those measuring our cosmos have focused significant resources on this issue, as it was a major surprise to physics and continues to be without an explanation that has broad appeal to physicists.

    The FACT that the cosmologies inspired by reading the Bible and ignoring physical evidence are absolutely wrong should not be a surprise.

    And, as for your cite, I'd point out that they are using a high degree of selection in what they choose from science. They talk about Hubble, who was born in 1989. Then, they jump to 1994 - which was before the crystal clear evidence of the expansion of the cosmos acutally accelerating.

    That is absolute crap as a method of understanding what science has discovered.

    To give a flavor of the evidence gathered, the European satellite Gaia launched in 2019 and has measured 1 billion starts - noting their distance from earth, the direction in which they are traveling and how fast they are traveling. This is just one of numerous efforts to understand the movement of stars and galaxies in our universe.

    The piont here is that there is massive evidence concerning the movement of objects in our universe over its lifetime to date.
     
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    It is interesting to note that scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding or stretching out. At least seven times in Scripture we are told that God "stretches out the heavens like a curtain" (Psalm 104:2)
     
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    so it defies the laws of physics, nice!
     
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    No kidding!

    The best scientific understanding of physics today is known not to be complete. There remain issues, such as resolving the models of quantum mechanics and Einstein gravity, and determining the mechanism of the expansion of our universe.
     

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