The 'settled science' actually isn't, dissent is being suppressed.

"1,600 scientists, among them two Nobel physics laureates, Clauser and Ivar Giaever of Norway, signed a declaration stating that there is no climate emergency, and that climate advocacy has devolved into mass hysteria. The skeptics say the radical transformation of entire societies is marching forth without a full debate, based on dubious scientific claims amplified by knee-jerk journalism."

Experts that disagree are removed from scientific networks and pushed out of the discussion to create merely the appearance of a consensus.

Thats not actually science. Thats politics, and dark politics at that.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/here...use-its-muffled-by-societys-top-institutions/

And it should be noted- this isnt 'climate change denial', its just denial of impending climate doom.

 

Yep. It's all a con based on selfish need of political control.

I've been waiting since 2007 for it to collapse under the weight of the sheerly ridiculous lies that havetaken over so much of the politicized scientific community. Hoping this Supreme Court term obliterates it for good.

 

Here is a straight link to the document-

https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/WCD-version-081423.pdf

Could not tell if in-for-wars included the link or not.

 

It would be interesting if those folks actually studied some field of climatology.

A PhD or Nobel doesn't mean the individual is an expert in all the sciences of the world - even if they think they are.

 

I undersand how some could think them guilty of blaspheme, 1609 scientists signing of their own free will, what with the gospel of the United Nation's IPCC report and the indulgences of carbon credits in question .

 

You didn't answer my point.

 

Well I did not see a question mark.

 

My point was that the list includes many who are decidedly NOT in a field of climatology.

And, that getting a PhD or Nobel doesn't mean the individual is an expert in all fields of science.

 

All the dudes in you IPCC report are "climatologists"?

Are you sure?

 

No, I guess not.

But it holding a Ph.D. or a Nobel prize indicates that the holder understands how science works. You won't hear any "The science is settled" nonsense from these. What these guys say is that there is no emergency. Your UN funded preachers are building a cult. No real scientist ever says "the science is settled. Real scientists ain't that arrogant.

 

Scientists working in the various fields of science covering rate and reasons for change.

There are also those who specialize in natural sciences related to various kinds of impacts of change. I wouldn't assume they all count as being climatologists. I would guess that those who work on how many people are displaced by climate change may include those who have degrees in other sciences.

Not all scientists in fields of climatology are members of the IPCC, as I'm sure you're aware.

 

Whatever.

 

Sure.

You seem to be contradicting yourself for some reason.

 

I really despise this "emergency" thing.

An emergency is when something emergent happened. It doesn't apply to chronic or growing problems.

So, we have plenty of impacts today that are based on climate - regardless of whether you think is has to do with climate changing. And, they may not be emergent.


For example, the Panama Canal is having serious problems, because of their 20 year drought. The canal is based on local fresh water, not sea water, as the canal is above sea level.

So, today Panama humans are short of water for all uses and the canal is short on water for foreigners to use in shipping. Who makes the decision on whether the ships get the water or the people get the water?

About 40% of all US container traffic goes through the Panama Canal. And, the low water level means that wait times continue to increase.

We have witnessed how supply chain is connected to inflation. When goods and parts supply is short, price goes up.

Is that an emergency? Nope. You can't call something that has been growing worse for 20 years an emergency.

Is it an emergency that people are being forced off of Pacific Islands due to sea rise - to the extent that governments are going away? Nope.

Etc.

So, if it isn't an emergency, does that justify ignoring the impact - the devastation to people's lives, to commerce, etc?

The entire climate change situation is like a toad on a hot plate that continues to wait before jumping.

It's not an emergency. But, it is PROFOUNDLY IGNORANT to ignore.

Today, the USA right wing demands that we not even bother to turn the hot plate to a slower setting. After all, it isn't an emergency.

 

Ah yes, the "Appeal to Authority" logical fallacy.

The entire argument supporting the climate change lie is "read the IPCC reports!". They've got nothing else despite the idea of it defying physics (which is an established science and not just an exercise in manipulating faulty models).

Sorry, but eventually the zealots have to do better than that.

 

This is the old “Oregon Institute” hoax. Dates back over 20 years

 

That was the core of the OISM hoax (Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - which turned out to be an empty barn on a rural property)

https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=23

 

I really don't know what would cause you to have respect for science at ANY level.

 

Are you aware that you are speaking to an Automotive Engineer?

You might want to consider that.

 

If I can use it and it works, that's what makes me respect science.

 

I respect windmills and waterfalls, but when I need horsepower I want an engine.

 

When it absolutely has to work and do the job anywhere at any time, can't really beat it.

 

You can't really claim expertise on boards such as this.

And, there is a big difference between engineering and science. Engineering is hugely exciting. I'm an engineer. But, it isn't science.

 

What kind of engineer doesn't make his/her living with science?

 

Try telling this guy you can run a boat off waterfalls and windmills-



Just listen to that one lunger purr!