The study of Diversity .. The Robert Putnam Study

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  1. randycooks444

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    Does anybody here also know about this study?
    It is the largest study ever done on Diversity and was done by a liberal.
    After the study he did not like the results so he waited five years to show the public because he really did not want people to know what he found.

    Basically the study had 32,000 people in it and it showed that diversity divides communities.
    Obviously if you look at the world and any major city its divided by race so.

    Notice nobody talks about this study ever and scientists are unwilling to do more studies on Diversity after this because the facts cannot be handled by the Liberals.



    the black pigeon goes over this study in the vid.
    Oops I put in wrong section of forum.. sorry mods.
     
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    The video is correct. Diversity with a central, unifying culture is a good thing. Diversity without an underlying, unifying culture is a disaster.

    To abandon the “melting pot” model and adopt the “salad bowl” model is simply national suicide.
     
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    Whoa ... must be telepathy. I started thinking about citing Putnam's study yesterday, but hadn't got around to it. (Not this video, specifically, but there were many reports of his study when it came out.)

    Small backwater countries can maintain their homogeneity for a long time, and good luck to them if that's what they want to do.

    But mainstream countries cannot. However, there is a huge difference between, on the one hand, cool, calculated advance towards a more 'diverse' population -- via slow closely-controlled immigration, excluding questionable people, and strong pressure on new arrivals to conform to democratic norms -- and just opening the gates wide.

    The real problem is that much of the liberal intelligentsia are ashamed of their own culture, which they see as one of 'white privilege'. They want to apologize for past actions of their countries, which were in fact no worse than any other and better than some. This leads to situations, in Europe at least, where there is little pressure to assimilate.

    The UK is currently having a kerfuffle over a prominent Conservative Member of Parliament who commented that face-covering veils make women look like mailboxes or bank robbers. Of course he's right -- they're a blatant example of the subordination of women in traditional Islam. But many self-hating 'Conservatives' are rushing to flay him -- it's almost as bad as if he'd proposed an increase in taxes on the wealthy.
     
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    Diversity without a central unifying culture is largely impossible anyway. People naturally fall into the same patterns and ways of doing things. Almost the entirety of the world is under the same "Uniform Commercial Code" for business transactions nowadays as we HAVE to be to do the business we must. "Melting Pot" and "Salad Bowl" are differing ANALOGIES for how one VIEWS the SAME THING not differing models in and of themselves.

    The problem is that most conservatives don't want ANY diversity, They want to throw out anybody who is not totally within the "central unifying culture" and completely eliminate any trace of anything not completely a part of it. They want to eradicate and erase diversity root and branch rather than encourage those traits that add interest and variety to our lives while celebrating our differences and hence our individuality.

    Disliking diversity is just a code word for encouraging ethnic prejudice and hatred. The main way in which the militant losers in the world seek to gain position and privilege through the accidents of birth rather than just by working harder and doing a better job
     
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    Please provide some evidence for this. Every conservative I know would love to see a Black conservative President. It's the Left who attack Black conservatives as 'Uncle Toms' -- because they don't conform to what Leftist college boys think they ought to believe.

    'Diversity' is now used by the Left as a way of lowering standards: not enough racial minorities and women in your engineering program? Lower the requirements! Not enough female Rangers? Lower the requirements!
     
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    No, CHANGE the standards, if necessary, but don't lower them.

    Base the requirements for female Rangers on what Rangers must do. Women naturally have lower upper body strength than males but actually generally greater lower body strength. The standard should be can the woman do the things necessary to a Ranger rather than what she can Bench press.

    Just so we should ask can minorities apply creativity to engineering solutions rather than solve complicated arithmetic problems in their heads. Saying that people can't use calculators in tests is like saying you shouldn't be allowed pencils.

    And we just HAD a pretty conservative black for President, and every conservative I knew acted like it was a crime against nature; even when he gave you YOUR OWN Healthcare Plan right back. (Obamacare is virtually identical to the the plan Mitt Romney had approved in Massachusetts.)
     
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    Diversity works if and only if everyone assimilates into one culture.
    In the US racism will always exist as long as there are diversity questions on pretty much any application you fill out. Why the F does a prospective employer or a school need to know my color and what reproductive organs I have? When I look for employees I pointedly never ask for that! To me the resume is what I look at, nothing else.
     
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    "Disliking diversity is just a code word for encouraging ethnic prejudice and hatred."

    Yawn, yes of course. Anyone opposing diversity is a racist, so there is no need to listen to any countervailing argument or study because...racism.

    I get it.

    However, as a leftist, you should be concerned on how diversity impacts the liberal establishment, because there is precious little intellectual diversity among the media, academia, and pop culture. They are all singing the same tune. However another study shows how diversity could topple that mind numbing consensus of yours.

    From the liberal hymnbook, The New York Times:

    "Ryan Enos, a political scientist at Harvard, published a book last year, “The Space Between Us,” suggesting that the ideological commitment of liberals in these and other similar communities may waver, or fail entirely, when their white homogeneity is threatened.

    Not only is the upscale wing of the Democratic Party an unreliable ally of the left on economic issues — as I have noted in this column before and as Lily Geismer and Matthew D. Lassiter eloquently pointed out in The Times last week — but Enos demonstrates that the liberal resolve of affluent Democrats can disintegrate when racially or ethnically charged issues like neighborhood integration are at stake.

    Six years ago, Enos looked at nine townships southwest of Boston that were “overwhelmingly racially and politically liberal.” As such, these communities were a “test of the power of demographic change because these were people who, we might think, would be unlikely to change their attitudes in the face of immigration.”"


    Well, read the whole thing to get a flavor for how the study was executed, but the gist:

    "Treated subjects were far more likely to advocate a reduction in immigration from Mexico and were far less likely to indicate that illegal immigrants should be allowed to remain in this country.

    The experiment, Enos wrote,

    demonstrated that exclusionary attitudes can be stimulated by even very minor, noninvasive demographic change: in this case, the introduction of only two persons.

    In his 2017 book, reflecting on the results of his experiment, Enos is more direct:

    The good liberal people catching trains in the Boston suburbs became exclusionary.

    Exposure to two young Spanish speakers for just a few minutes, or less, for just three days had driven them toward anti-immigration policies associated with their political opponents."


    In other words, white liberals turned into cracker racists when confronted with diversity near their lily-white segregated homes and neighborhoods.
     
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    Racial/ethnic diversity is fine in a society as long as they mostly agree on the same core values such as democracy, tolerance, freedom, non-violence.
     
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    So diversity is great as long as people think exactly the same?
     
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    did i say that?

    nope.

    try again
     
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    So you want to cut out the Middleman and have us all just turn into "cracker racists" now? Yes, people do have an annoying tendency to be intolerant of differing individuals, we should therefore encourage it?
     
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    I’ve told this story before. Please forgive me for being repetitive.

    I grew up in a diverse neighborhood a few miles from NYC. Families were Irish, Italian, Swedish, German, black, Jewish, Hispanic, etc. We were all about 3rd or 4th generation Americans. But that “diversity” comprised less than 1% of our identity. We considered ourselves to be 100% American. We weren’t slaves to the old world customs and culture. We weren’t hyphenated Americans. Our diversity added spice to our lives, but it didn’t control who we were. Our allegiance to the U.S. was never in doubt. That was the melting pot and it worked.

    The salad bowl? That leads to Balkanization, disunity, and civil unrest. It’s a loser.
     
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    Prejudice and hatred.
    Its not that.. Its that people dont want to mix and hate the higher crime rates .. and this is why the divide is there.
     
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    Yeh notice they all diff neighborhoods .. Its not like you all just live randomly around eachother.
     
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    Its a nice thought but races are divided in any major city due to differences in crime rates, and IQ.
    I mean most whites would never want to mix so they move.
     
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    u want immigrants who despise democracy, equality and diversity?

    i do not
     
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    As far as the last line I tend to agree, but it's also bullshit. Your general conservative doesn't care if you're just "adding spice" to your lives, If you even LOOK Mexican he wants you deported
     
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    You're causing the problem and then blaming the people you're causing the problem to.
     
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    God caused the problem because the truth is there SOME REALLY BIG DIFFERENCES among race groups.

    Like Brain size, average IQ, and tempermant levels.
    Its not like all races are the same.. welcome to reality.
     

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