The study of Diversity .. The Robert Putnam Study

Don't be too sure about that. Brown Third Worlders are invariably far more conservative than White First Worlders, and many won't easily relinquish that conservatism. Of course, I'm not familiar with the South American variety, so take that with a grain of Antipodean salt. Aren't South Americans generally very religious, at least?

 

MULTI culturalism

Assimilation into ONE culture

Couldn't be plainer. You obfuscate for your own reasons.

 

I'm not 'deliberately trying to muddle" anything. I was asking for a god-cursed ANSWER to a god-cursed QUESTION, but than I forget I'm dealing with CONSERVATIVES who just assume everything is a god-cursed GAME and they just haveta WIN. WHAT IS THE FRACKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MULTICULTURALISM AND ASSIMILATION? What different sorts of BEHAVIORS will be exhibited by multicultural people and assimilated people? And if they're AREN"T any could it be that the two are synonyms, and just different ways of looking at the same thing?

 

Did you not read my post, directly above yours?

 

I'm not obfuscating anything. You can't answer a simple question and it's because there IS no difference, so you become willfully obtuse.

 

I'll say it again:

MULTI is not the same as ONE. I'm going to assume you understand the difference there. Good, let's move on.

Assimilation is the act of absorbing, or being absorbed into, ONE culture. MULTIculturism is the precise opposite .. it is the practice of maintaining MULTIPLE cultures.

 

Yes, and I saw several paras about why multiculturalism is just BAD, but not ONE sentence giving me a clear idea of what multiculturalism IS, OR how it differs from assimilation.

Putnam's study, mind you, didn't even ask that, It spoke of DIVERSITY and seemed to be saying that it had a downside rather than just being entirely beneficial. It also went into several ways that any bad features of diversity could be obviated, along with examples.

 

If you don't know the difference between MULTIPLE and SINGLE, I can't help you any further.

 

"Diversity" is just code for fewer white people. Why should white people be expected to be thrilled about this?

 

Only if you are illegal.

 

There's nothing a Progressive hates more than Diversity. They are, themselves, as 'undiverse' as it gets. All atheists, all First Worlders, all well fed and safe, all painfully naive, and almost all are white. They are the most insulated and unwordly people alive, though they think that being 'liberal' is worldly (not realising that it's simply one iteration of worldviews, and the least common at that).

 

Unsurprisingly, there has been some academic debunking of Putnam's study:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-diversity-create-distrust/


After reanalyzing the same dataset used by Putnam, Abascal and Baldassari asserted that when it comes to distrust and diversity, most of the distrust is expressed by Whites who feel uncomfortable living amongst racial minorities. In other words, greater distrust may stem from prejudice rather than from diversity per se.


So the opinions of whites unused to diversity accounted for the negative findings in Putnam's study. For minorities -- in other words, people used to living in a population not dominated by people like themselves -- the negative effects of diversity disappeared.

Presumably, this effect is not peculiar to whites, but would hold true for any person used to being part of a dominant majority: when they find themselves just another minority, they feel uncomfortable.

There were other problems with Putnam's study, which my link goes into (for instance, blacks and Hispanics consistently report being less trusting than whites, regardless of the diversity of their neighborhood; so neighborhoods with more blacks and Hispanics counted as "less trusting" in Putnam's study, but for reasons having nothing to do with diversity).

 

Oh I would agree with you that people from traditional cultures, particularly peasant types, are conservative (small c) including the Central and South American variety. But, as the former President of Singapore, Lee Kuan Lee said, "In multiracial societies, you don't vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion." The US is definitely a multiracial society, and becoming more so each day. It was definitely eye opening to me that the 2016 election, the Democrats didn't really run on issues, they ran on identity. Meanwhile, Trump ran on issues (immigration and trade). You may disagree with Trump's positions, but he actually made positions central to his campaign, unlike Hillary.

I worry that we may not have another issue oriented campaign again in the US. It will just be various tribes jockeying for position, just like third world "democracies."

 

As I said, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to engage in honest debate on this forum. Your above post makes my point perfectly.

 

God Fracking DAMN. You STILL won't answer the question, and that's because you CAN"T. It isn't anything they do at all, all that multicultural/assimilation bs is just that, Large Bovine Feces. You just don't like them furriners, (and probably just the brown ones. I'll lay you money the Norwegians are just fine, like they are with the God-Emperor)

 

Hillary had 40 pages of policy on her website. Trump had 7 and probably even less when you understand that bigotry isn't a position.

 

I answered the question in post #43.

Sorry, I'm not a teacher. I don't know how to dumb it down or make it more clear than I already have. However calling me a racist isn't a proper response.

 

You gave me dictionary definitions, and neither one really precluded one being a synonym for the other. I asked for specific examples of how one is different from the other and you never gave me any so I concluded you didn't know any and didn't care because your problem with immigrants wasn't abased on their behavior but simply was because you were a racist/ethnicist. What are you and all these others finding so hard to understand? My question is WHY do you object ot people of different cultures? What are some of the things that people of different cultures DO that you dislike so?

 

Ohh ... you know, throwing gays of buildings. Oppressing women. Disregarding and disrespecting the law of the land. Cheating. Lying. Stealing. Not maintaining homes, and thereby ruining a community. Arranging marriages for their teenage daughters. Genital surgery on young girls, to prevent them having 'fun'. Despising the culture of the natives. Despising the natives. Hating the adopted nation. Refusing to learn the language. Refusing to mix with or marry the natives. Etc etc etc.

Just a few bits and pieces like that .. nothing that should stop us Virtue Signalling our Compassionate Approval of Exotics.

 

Actually it's the liberal view that would destroy diversity. If everyone breeds until we all look the same and separate races are eliminated, then doesn't that "eradicate and erase diversity root and branch?" What is so wrong about having different races and different, separate cultures? If I travel to India, for example, I want to experience their culture. I don't want to see another version of America. I can already see that here.

So it's the "everyone needs to have inter-racial kids and embrace all cultures equally" mantra that would actually "eradicate and erase diversity root and branch."

Honestly, if you think Obama is a conservative you're in a totally different reality. He wasn't able to enact all of what he wanted because the Republican Congress held him in check, because the American people aren't liberal and voted out the Dems after two years of his lurch to the Left. Mitt Romney?????????? Dude, Mitt Romney is about as liberal as you can get for a Republican. He's a RINO all the way. He's about the only Republican liberal enough to propose such a nonsensical plan.

 

Why would I need to give examples of how two opposite meaning words are different from each other? I mean, listen to yourself!

Again, insulting other posters is a violation of the rules. I'm sure you fling around the term "racist" so easily you might not even recognize that, but if you read up on the Putnam study and the study I linked to on the very first page, you might understand that it's not about objecting to different cultures.

But I doubt it.

 

I apologize if you felt insulted, I didn't mean to insult you as many posters here seem proud of being racists. I felt I was simply stating a fact which your own words made inescapable

I don't understand why you can't see my viewpoint that assimilation and multiculturalism are just two ways of seeing the same thing and the main reason I feel that way is that for the life of me I cannot really give you a good idea of how a multicultural country would differ from one based on assimilation. You and everyone else in this thread, apparently can't either. This leads me to the conclusion that the reason you object to other cultures has to do with the people in them, rather than any behaviors these other cultures do.

 

gays of buildings. Oppressing women. Disregarding and disrespecting the law of the land. Cheating. Lying. Stealing. Not maintaining homes, and thereby ruining a community. Arranging marriages for their teenage daughters. Genital surgery on young girls, to prevent them having 'fun'. Despising the culture of the natives. Despising the natives. Hating the adopted nation. Refusing to learn the language. Refusing to mix with or marry the natives. Etc etc etc.

Just a few bits and pieces like that .. nothing that should stop us Virtue Signalling our Compassionate Approval of Exotics.[/QUOTE]

FINALLY, somebody actually ANSWERED the question.

Mexican culture doesn't, AFAIK, approve of lying, cheating and stealing and I don't know of any cultures that do. People DO lie, cheat and steal in all cultures, and in our own. In fact ALL of those things you listed are, in ANY country in the world except one being run by ISIS, highly immoral and often extremely illegal. Well, maybe not maintaining your home. I know several people in my own neighborhood who don't cut their lawns nearly often enough (I'm one) and we have this one guy who's had this one building being wrapped in Tyvek for FIVE YEARS, should we all be deported?

Basically it seems that your idea of "assimilation" requires that we eschew the practice of being a free country and adopt a stultifyingly uniform culture that we must all conform to without question or variant. No thanks, I'll continue my "virtue signaling" simply by leaving other people alone.

 

I really don't have an answer to the gobbledygook you just posted. It reads like nonsense, but I get the feeling that it is at least sincere nonsense. You truly don't understand the difference between multiculturalism and assimilation, even when it was spelled out to you. I have to tell you that you are most likely the only person who is confused on that point. So if you can't understand why what your posting is nonsense, allow a quick analogy: You posit that the colors black and white are the same thing, just two ways of seeing the same thing. My response?



Your confusion is beyond the abilities of a forum to help. You should talk to some real people in the real world and see if they can explain it to you.

 

Angela Merkel would not agree that multiculturalism and assimilation amount to the same thing. She realized eight years ago that multiculturalism does not work.

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Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily "side by side" did not work.

She said the onus was on immigrants to do more to integrate into German society.

"This [multicultural] approach has failed, utterly failed," Merkel told the meeting in Potsdam, west of Berlin, yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed