The tea party wants freedom?

Look here, one lefty criticizing another lefty for their looniness (is that a word)? Perhaps we're having a full moon or these lefties are watching the obama experiment of outright socialism go down in flames and its creating massive uneasiness.

 

Oh so now your defense is that they aren't public speakers? What the hell does that mean?

I thought the tea party were the 'adults' in our political discourse, yet they can't be counted on to answer tough questions such as: "what do you believe in?", or, "how would you like our country to change course?". I didn't do any deceptive editing, it was very simple question + answer, they made themselves look foolish with their own words and lack of knowledge.

I think the problem, as my quote below alludes to, is that we have legions of people encouraged to get involved in our political discourse who are in it for the wrong reasons. I felt bad for a lot of these people because they clearly had just insulated themselves in the conservative media bubble and could only recite a handful of talking points to articulate their beliefs.

Politics isn't a football game, its not 'us v.s them' (clearly you fall victim to this as well, demagoguing me as an evil librul for pointing out my observations), its just sad that so many people let that mindset cloud their judgement.

ALSO, just to be clear, this was for a regional blog. No ideological affiliation, we did straight news. Hate to burst your bubble.

 

Look here, someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. You and Montoya have far more in common when it comes to political philosophy then I do with either of you. Aside from a few differences of implementation, both of you are authoritarian welfare/warfare mongers.

 

May I be so generous as to complete your definition of today's liberal by calling them 'progressive socialist marxists' with an occasional flair for the facist/communist agenda as well?

 

Hey Luke, You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany, then on the left.


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Maybe I just go to the wrong rallies...the two I went to were nothing more than glorfied Klan rallies...

 

I think you understand very well what i mean. They are NOT public speakers and prepared to be interviewed or ambushed. They know what they want. It's simple. There you go. Trying to stereotype them according to what you WANTED to find. You are just one more LEFT wing blog destroying Americans who don't want to see this country continue to head down the tubes.

And let me tell you something. IT IS an us vs them. There is a divide in this country as it has always been but i've never seen it more venomous. There is a substantial number of Americans that want this slide to bancruptcy and socialism stopped. Your remark 'sad to see so many people let this mindset cloud their judgement', tells me exactly what you are, lefty. The only time you lament this lack of judgement is when you are on the short end.

 

If they weren't prepared to express their opinions about current events, then why consent to an interview? I wasn't pressuring anyone, this is nonsense. Like I said, I asked straight-forward questions with no loaded words (such as the "senator, when did you stop beating your wife?" variety).

You know whose the real opponent you should be worried about? Powerful Interest groups who buy off legislators, and Government thats in the pocket of large mulit-national corporations. Believe me, the oligarchy that led us into bankruptcy wants you to focus your animosity towards those of idelogical difference, rather than on them.

I actually am mostly a libertarian, I don't believe in big government, although I am left on social issues. The only reason I side with the liberals these days is because of the rabid anti-intellectual, tribe mentality on the right, which is on full display in this thread. I could actually vote for a reasonable small government republican, but sadly the crazies have taken over.

 

The reason "they" can't "answer tough questions" is because they are not any kind of real organized political party. Since when did libertarians ever beleive in centralized control of anything, let alone thier assembly? They don't have a leader, they don't have an official spokesperson(just a bunch of Politicians trying to assume that role), etc.

What the "tea Party" is, is basically a giant social network of pissed off people who have a "gut feeling" that something in America isn't right. That America wasn't meant to have an all encompassing government regulating them down the smallest consumer choices. The "tea party" is essentially a giant red herring, strawman, scapegoat and boogey man, all wrapped into one.

Sorry, but after the 2008 elections and the ongoing reign of terror inflicted on American Conservatism with Conservatives suffering everything from blood slander to politically motivated vandalisms and shootings, Nancy Pelosi's abuse of parliamentary procedure and power as Speaker and you expect us to reach our hand out in friendship?

I'll never forgive you people for the Gifford Blood Slander episode and I'll never forgive unions for trashing the beautiful Ohio State House, and shooting an innocent business owner on his own doorstep.

Liberalism is out of control in this nation and they are beginning to turn to violent action. I say bring it on. I want to see violent mass protests in the street so I can lead a group of anti-demonstration hooligans to crush a bunch of liberal activists in the streets.

 

Ya, cool story bro.

 

Personally, I think that most so called Libertarians, only care about their own rights....

I know several people who call themselves libertarians that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about not being allowed to smoke in restaurants in Indianapolis. If you bring up the fact that their "right" to smoke, more often than not, infringes on the rights of others to breathe fresh air they claim that people can leave if they don't like the smoke. They don't like it when you say it the other way around and tell them that they can leave if they want to smoke.

Any true libertarian would understand that and accept that rights can not be allowed to infirnge on other peoples' rights.

 

Of course, they could just choose not to go to a restaurant that has a smoking section. There really is no need for government intervention.

 

It's not just restaurants......No smoking in any publically oriented building, including shopping centers, that allowed minors....

You can smoke in bars still, but no where that allowes anyone under 18.

 

Ok, now lets look at this from the less hateful angle one wants to be seen in.
Its talk like that which gives critics of the tea parties fodder for weeks to come, and for which all tea partiers are seen as KKK wannabes.
The 'scum' you talk about are our fellow Americans, for which we also want a better nation. These are the same who make up what we pride ourselves on, a nation of diversity, freedom to live the way we want, without being told what to do.
Now, too many have made themselves dependent on Gov, slowly but surely it has crept up through generations, but those who are enslaved by the Gov are not the same who are radical leftist, or Marxists, or Socialists or Progressives, whatever one may want to call them...the overseers, the deciders, the power seekers, the ones who give away what is not theirs.
Those who are dependent on the hand outs are just worried about being fed, and clothed and housed, and vote accordingly. No, that is not an excuse, but we must find ways to wean them off this dependency, and that will not happen overnight. We must assure available jobs, then slowly reduce the Gov dole, while increasing the working hours (for the able, that is understood), even if its just through programs to clean up the neighborhood. Everyone can do something.
That will reduce the power the so called Marxists have over them, will change the voter base to one that seeks freedom from Gov interference, to one of more personal responsibility.
Name calling and hateful rants, from the very left or the very right, creates distance, unwillingness to listen to, and learn from, sound reasoning.

 

I am a libertarian, I am a smoker, and even I know that a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool. I choose to smoke, and I choose to go outside if I want to smoke. Why should I expect someone else to put up with my choices when it effects them. Now if you on the other side say I can't smoke at a beach or outside, then you can **** too. Don't come around me if you don't like the smoke. I will move from people, but you don't have to come around me if I am smoking.

 

That is it right there. Personal freedom goes hand in hand with personal responsibility.
You have the right to smoke, and you make the decision not to interfere with the welfare of others.
You can also expect others not to invade your personal space.
A little give and take from both sides would make the world a much better place.

 

And you should know...right?

http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/203949-true-face-left-chavez-supports-gaddafi-2.html

Ya prove it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/17/michele-bachmann-elvis-birthday-death

Any more questions...

Perhaps not...but they sure as hell don't want this:

running anything...not even a friggin' gas station!

Get used to seeing yourselves as you truly are T-Baggers, 'cause I'm gonna dog you animals till your movement is DEAD DEAD DEAD...along with your destructive and insanely self-centered ideology.

Have a nice day...

 

Pack your lunch and bring all your meds. You'll be at it a long, long, time, but eventually you will learn we've been right all along!

The radical, and gullible, and "want something for nothing left" has been ruining the USA. But the pendulum has swung past your time. You had your chance, the results are disgusting. Now its time for intelligent and logical minds to restore the nation to its former greatness.

 

Dude, that is the common response of your type. FYI, anyone who belongs to the spread-it-around club is basically a socialist. You can split hairs and try to deflect but if it sounds like a duck, . . . Besides you don't know how to spell "doesnt". You are not alone, 90% of socialists don't know how to spell it either.

 

Social conservatism isn't a Tea Party issue.

I've heard for years liberals telling me that they would be amenable to Republican fiscal responsibility arguments except for those crazy, religious kooks.

So along comes a movement that is all about fiscal responsibility that has no social agenda, and what happens? They're hated and demonized worse than the traditional social conservative wing ever was.

The fact is, trying to demonize Tea Party issues as social conservative ones is just a smoke screen. The real fear and loathing isn't the social conservative issues (which the left feels they are steadily winning anyway) it's the actual economic and fiscal issues: low taxes, small government, reduced debt, balanced budgets...that's the issues they fear most. Those are the issues the left isn't sure it's winning on.

That's why Maxine Waters referred to the Tea Party as "enemies" and that they should "go to hell." She isn't worried about anti abortion or Moral Majority types. She's worried about fiscal discipline.

And apparently so are you.

 

What right do you have to impose your demand for fresh air on the owners of an establishment? If the owner wishes to allow smoking, that's his right as the owner of the property. If he does not wish to allow it, that is also his right. Apparently your "right" to fresh air includes the right to trespass on the rights of others and force them to accomodate your demands.

A true libertarian understands property rights, and recognizes that rules preventing an owner from making his own decisions about smoking on his property infringes on that owner's rights.