The Two State Solution is Finished.

So if the two-state solution is over, what comes next? For the Israelis the idea of a unilateral solution has replaced attempts at final-status direct negotiations with the Palestinians.

This is a position shared by party leaders on the Right, Center and now Left.

On the right, Bayit Yehudi leader Naftali Bennett, who publicly opposes a Palestinian state, has been pushing his non-final-status unilateral Stability Initiative since his first campaign for office in 2012. In an interview this week he said, “We have de facto separated from the Palestinians. They rule themselves. We should do two things. One is to create autonomy on steroids for the Palestinians in areas A and B; and in area C to begin, in stages, the application of Israeli sovereignty. Let’s start with Gush Etzion.

We need to start advancing this.” Yisrael Beytenu’s Avigdor Liberman has a plan that would unilaterally move Israeli-Arab territory to a Palestinian state in exchange for settlement blocs, with Arabs potentially losing their Israeli citizenship.

In the Center-Left bloc the idea is for Israel to implement final status solution a unilateral with the backing of the international community. The idea, which was promoted in the previous Knesset by Amos Yadlin from the INSS think tank, is to separate from the Palestinians and determine official borders without the Palestinians present at the table. The support for a shift from peace to separation in Center-Left circles has grown as politicians gradually adopted it. Kulanu’s Moshe Kahlon said during his election campaign that there is “no point to negotiations at the moment because there is no partner.” Kahlon placed Michael Oren, who has suggested the unilateral separation route in the past as a final-status solution, as the foreign policy expert of his Knesset list. After the formation of the current government Yesh Atid’s Yair Lapid found himself in the opposition and shortly after started called for a unilateral separation plan.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-two-state-solution-is-finished-445655

A Greater Israel has in my opinion always been the aim, now we can see that there is no intention of peace or a two state solution. If anyone thinks the Israeli's have any intention of creating two states then just look at what is happening on the ground. More house destruction's on the West Bank, Gaza is fast becoming un-inhabitable. It is game over for the Palestinians unless the world isolates Israel like other pariah states.

 

They should push the terrorist Palestinian squatters into the sea.

 

I think any possibility of two state solution is long gone.. They will have to kill the rest of the Palestinians or forcibly expel them. Its tragic and IMO.. hopeless.

 

And the Palestinians will take the vice-versa course. This is a very disastrous turn of events and I hope Obama makes that clear in no uncertain terms. The world cannot have two entities going at constant war, as the case was in Soviet that allowed North Korea to become what it is today.

 

Never really considered this before but a formal declaration of a Palestinian state might be in Israels best interest. First time they lob rockets over the border an official declaration of war could be issued. The war could be over in a few days and the problem solved.

 

Great, just great. We went from the Nazi ethnic cleansing of Jews, to a Jewish cleansing of the Arabs. Where's the UN? They Started this mess, they need to take control of the situation and fast. An escalation at this time while the US is transitioning would just be terrible for the world.

 

Had the Jews declared war on the Nazis? Must've missed that.

 

Damn right it's sad. But what is Israel supposed to do? Surrender? Move back to Europe and wait for another Crystal Nacht? Like everything else in the Middle East there is no good solution. Israel has put up with far more crap from it's neighbors than any other country in the world would have and gotten little to nothing for it except hate and not just from Palestinians either. And let's face it the Palestinians aren't much more highly thought of by other Arab states than is Israel. The first thing the Kuwaitis did after Saddam was kicked out was send the Palestinian immigrants packing. Jordan ran their's in 73 whch is largely how Hezbollah wound up in Lebanon and destabilized that country.

 

in history only the defeated gave up land.

 

Every time I question my faith in America, I get answered resoundingly and not only this, but I find my standards lower. Try R E A D I N G again. Even better to understand the sentence structure. I'll quote myself and bold the important key word that you missed.

Great, just great. We went from the Nazi ethnic cleansing of Jews, to a Jewish cleansing of the Arabs.

The key word is "of". Used in this context, it refers to a past event. In this case, I'm referring to the Nazi ethnic cleansing of the Jews.

The past is repeating itself with Israel's determination now to break ranks with the Palestinians. Which unfortunately was inevitable when we created Israel via the UN.
Hence I said it was their responsibility to govern over the situation there.

 

WOW...for once I agree with you.

Unfortunately the UN is powerless here

 

They could easily go to a two state solution.

The reason they won't is that hard liner Zionists have moved in and stolen a lot of the land in Palestine and with actively fight anyone trying to remove them. And I mean fight with guns.

 

And? That somehow makes them different than Jordan and Kuwait?

 

Yeah, that is what it looked to me like Israel was doing as I read the article. Rather than denying them a state, forcing them into one.

 

The Zionists arrived from Europe... The Jordanians and Kuwaitis are native to the area.

 

you want to push the Israeli govt into the sea?

that's not very humane

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Kuwaitis are not native to Palestine

 

There was hardly any hope for a two state solution to begin with.
Clinton came close with Arafat, and Rabin. But, Arafat pissed that chance away.

Now, the Palestianians have no interest in a peaceful coexistence with a Israeli state, and Israel has no interest in treating Palestinians on a fair, and equal footing.

We might as well except the fact that folks have been fighting over that stupid strip of dirt for over two thousand years, and they'll probably be fighting over it for another two thousand years.

Complete pointlessness.

 

They have always lived in Kuwait... Jordanians have always lived in Palestine.. Did you read the post I answered?

 

So were, at one time, the Jews. So then it was perfectly all right for the Germans to ethnically cleanse the Jews because they were native to the area?

 

Why would you say such a thing.. The Jews had their property, jobs, civil rights and citizenship taken from them and ultimately were incarcerated and/or killed?

Read this: Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, 1920

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm

The problem wasn't that they were Jews... The problem was that they were European Bolsheviks that didn't speak Arabic, hated the Arab culture and considered the Arabs inferior.

 

Yeah the Jews wanted their own land and state where maybe they could be left alone or at least die fighting trying to secure it. maybe they should make common cause with the Kurds...

 

well essentially yes it does. Kuwait and Jordon don't have settlements in the West Bank that they would protect with violence

 

I'm confused about your confusion. The fact you equate ethnic cleansing and war between nations as equal may explain my confusion, and yours.
The holocaust was ethnic cleansing.
Israel defending itself is not ethnic cleansing.
Forget your faith in the UN to solve the problem. The UN is somewhat equatable with a global welfare leech.

 

None of that is true.

The Israelis never had any real interest in a two state solution...and kept grabbing Palestinian land and building settlements (actually not so little urban Towns/cities in the middle of the best Palestinian land)

If Israel had been serious they would have stopped the expansion of the settlements (they had that power) and would have worked at compensating/removing those that existed.

They of course did none of tat

 

You know where we screwed up? After the first Gulf War, we should have seized the Iraqi Oil Fields and then given them to the Palestinians as their new homeland.