The United States is NOT a Christian Nation...

Christian Deism? That's an oxymoron. A diest does not believe that god has ever intervened in the affairs of the world and they don't believe in any organized religion. Christianity is an organized religion based upon a belief that god has intervened in the affairs of the world. A person cannot be a Christian-Deist. "Christian Deism" is a BS expression created by Christians arguing that people like Jefferson were Christians but Jefferson was not a Christian.

 

Maybe this is breaking news to you, but there's actually many kinds of christianities.

 

No, Churches are organized Christianity. Christianity requires no such organization. Who the hell appointed you the arbitor of the meaning of words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_deism#History

"English Deism on the whole was a cautious, Christian Deism, largely restricted in influence to the upper classes.". Most of the founding fathers were from the upper classes

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Jefferson identified himself as a Christian.

 

If religion is the basis for a law, that law clearly "respects" that religion. In our secular society, the basis for law is supposed to be whether the law is needed to maintain order in our society. Some laws needed to maintain order coincide with religion precepts.

Some founders would have been perfectly happy to establish a theocracy. Fortunately, those prevailed who believed in individual freedoms.

The power of the people to impose any religious view by law is limited by the Constitution. That way we avoid the "tyranny of the majority."

 

LOLOLOLOL The Constitution doesnt prohibit respect of religion

 

The Bill of Rights prohibits the passing of laws which "respect" any establishment of religion. Individuals may respect or not as they see fit, but government cannot act to "respect" any religion or prefer religion over non-religion.

 

A Christian Nation isnt a theocracy. "My kingdom is not of this world", "Obey all authorities institutited among men", "render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's" and all of that.


The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. John Adams

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. John Quincy Adams

[T]he Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society Daniel Webster


[T]he religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles… This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.

The moral principles and precepts found in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.

[T]he Christian religion… is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government… I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence Noah Webster

 

Government can respect religion without respecting the ESTABLISHMENT of any particuliar religion.

 

Christianity is not an organized religion. There are organized religions which observe the Christian faith. Christianity is simply the believe in Christ. One does not need to observe any specific organized religion to dedicate their life to that faith.

One does not need to go to a church every Sunday, or ever for that matter to be a Christian. One can live their life by Christian principles and be saved and never set foot in a church.

 

When Jesus rules the Earth after his return, will he establish a "Christian nation"?

 

Im an atheist. I dont believe he is returning.

 

I only asked because if you go by the Bible, a "Christian nation" must be a theocracy.

The perfect government according to the Bible, the one Jesus will rule when he returns, is a brutal dictatorship in which everyone is forced to worship the ruler and do everything he says or else be tortured mercilessly.

 

Nonsense

These three thinkers, Matthew Tindal, Thomas Morgan, and Thomas Amory, developed a theology in which Christianity was deism and natural religion.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21692327.2014.959543?journalCode=rjpt20#preview

Matthew Tindal 1657 - 1733, never set foot in America

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What made up silliness. But I'll play, quote the bible.

 

There's a difference between religion and an establishment of religion. The constitution clearly refers to establishments of religion. It does not talk about religion. What that means in practice is mainly that there will be no national church which is granted privileges from the government. It does not mean that religion cannot be the basis for laws.

Indeed, and those who prevailed also meant to allow religion as a basis for laws. That is not incompatible with freedom. In fact, any other way would be a gross violation of it.

The power of the people to impose any view, religious or not, is limited by the constitution. What I'm saying is that it's none of the government's business to decide that some views are religious and some aren't, and then automatically disqualify the religious ones.

 

A Christian nation would follow the example of Christ would it not?

 

Religion is not the basis of law. Principles are, that clearly define right and wrong. If there is no basis from which right and wrong is defined then murder of pre-born infants, racism, and criminalization of thought and speech becomes law. No founder was in favor of a theocracy, as defined by state religion, and that is why the establishment clause was written and also why it was first. That is why people left Europe in the first place was to get away from state religion and tyranny and unjust law. What is limited in the constitution the creation of state religion, (which is what the religion Atheist fundamentalists want i.e. communism) and the freedom of religion. Not worship by the way.

 

This is the first amendment:

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The word respect in this case is not the respect of prefernce but of action to establish a religion. To practice that religion without interference from the state.

Progressive leftist Atheist Religious Fundamentalist O'Bama voters are ignorent in the first degree.

 

Let me again clarify that nation is not the same thing as country. When one says that the united states is a christian nation, one is just saying that the american people have predominately been christian and that christianity has had a big influence on the main american culture. That is not controversial and it's obvious and commonly accepted. That the USA is a christian nation does not mean that it's a theocracy.

 

That wasn't a quote from the bible and Christ never governed over anybody.

 

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. John Adams

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. John Quincy Adams

[T]he Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society Daniel Webster


[T]he religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles… This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.

The moral principles and precepts found in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.

[T]he Christian religion… is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government… I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence Noah Webster

 

To liberals, a nation is the government.

 

And what these great men are saying, is what I said. Principles.

Which I note without surprise that a Religious Atheist Fundamentalist progressive leftist O'bama voter did not include in his/her/its selective quote 'box' which makes it look like I said something I did not say. I wish that parsing quotes was not possible. I do not do it, but I have integrity and the courage of my convictions, that is notably absent among O'bama voters.

 

But if you read the Bible, Christ is going to govern everyone. Therefore we can determine what the Biblically perfect government is.

 

No, what they said contradicts what you said.

 

It does mean exactly that. The Founders voted on an amendment which basically said no national church could be established, and it was defeated. Clearly, the Founders meant more than that.

They did not mean for national laws to accommodate religious precepts, to award federal monies to any religion or "establishment" of religion. It is not only compatible with freedom, it guarantees it.

It is not all that hard for legislators to recognize that they are passing laws to benefit religion or A religion. It is their duty to avoid aiding or restricting religion. If they cannot do that, the Supreme Court is there to change their actions.