The US needs to re-instate the draft .

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  1. HillBilly

    HillBilly New Member Past Donor

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    sorry driller , I left out Ozzie & Harriet , and the Fonz and Beaver ...:blowkiss:
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    And yet again, do you not see the problem with this?? You clearly didn't understand what I typed, which is why you totally ignored it in this post. Don't try and say you understood my message; clearly, you did NOT.
     
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    Yea, the "keep the government out of our lives" right wingers, the ones who find a mandate to have health insurance over the top intrusive want everyone in the country to have a 2 year forced indoctrination by the government.

    And then to claim that small government should then provide health insurance for life for that 2 years of services is hillarious, let me guess, but you hate the idea of national healthcare.

    No. The problem is very simple. Stop fighting worthless wars so we don't need troops to be stuck in a violent quagmire for 5 or 6 tours of duty.
     
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    There will be draft resistance and strife. America doesn't need a draft, and it doesn't need much of a military. America needs to withdraw from the eastern hemisphere and mind its own business. The only war Americans may fight in the future will be a civil war. We don't need high priced weapons and well trained soldiers for that. Sticks and stones will do.
     
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    People who claim having a draft will keep the U.S. from getting involved in wars have obviously forgotten Korea and Vietnam. .

    Apologies if this has been pointed out already.
     
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    Il go when all the sons of politicians go, .....which will be never..

    If the draft is put on effect il fly back to Peru laughing and with a smile!!!:alientwo:
     
  7. Dayton3

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    Sarah Palin's son served overseas.

    JEB Bush's son served overseas.

    Those are two just off the top of my head.

    Do you have some requirement as to how many sons of politicians go?

    What about politicians without children?

    What about politicians with children who are not physically suited for military service?

    What about politicians who are pacifists and die hard opponents of military action?
     
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    So the solution is to force EVERY "wrong person" to serve? Jeez. And could your proposal be any more big government or expensive? Free college, free healthcare, gigantic and expensive military. Horrible idea.
     
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    Given a pool of eligible recruits, male and between 18 - 24 y/o, probably 40% are physically qualified to serve. Take a look around, obesity is near epidemic among younger people, add to that asthma or other ailments and it's clear to me that a draft would only add to a problem of misfits in uniform.

    The military doesn't want a draft, they want motivated and qualified people.
     
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    I preferred the unedited version of this post...
     
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    Never post when in a bad mood...I read all this crapola about "fighting for banks"...and anti-American sentiments, from American citizens no less...from foreigners is one thing...and honestly who would want to serve alongside that sort of person. Someone you trust your life with.

    I'm not saying it's all "Mom, apple pie and Chevrolet," but folks go into battle because they don't want to disappoint the person next to them. They don't think about the politics that got them there...and based on the attitudes of many on this forum...I thank God, they are not in the service. A drill instructor can only do so much to get folks into shape physically and mentally...but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

    No draft, for the sake of those who truly want to serve, who take pride in the uniform and what it represents....no draft. Maintain a professonal military with personnel that are qualified, and motivated with a desire to serve these Uhited States and defend her Constitution.
     
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    I am all for the Draft if there are no deferments allowed...none at all. That way the politicians children have to serve as well. It should be mandatory that all Americans serve their country for 2 years...men and women. Those who can't walk can serve in admin posts. It will put steel in everyone's backbone and give them a sense of patriotism.
     
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    What the U.S. needs to do is stop depending on war.
     
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    If there were 2 people left on earth, they would fight over something. It's human nature and to ignore that would make us weak.
     
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    So what you are saying is that slavery is cool as long as the government is doing it?

    I take it you are a Progressive Statist?
     
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    "The US needs to re-instate the draft ."

    I disagree, what we need to do is stop nation building other countries and start nation building our own
     
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    Hillbilly - you know darn well that even if a draft was created, there is no way in hell that politicians are going to send their children to the battle frontlines. They will insure that their children are given easy assignments while your children are sent off to die.

    Stop pretending it isn't that way.

    The thing to do is to stay the hell out of foreign wars just like our Founding Fathers demanded. Stop creating enemies overseas, and in this way we will be at peace.
     
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    There are other 'superpowers' on this planet who aren't fighting wars on the other side of the globe. War is human nature. So is farting on a packed airliner.
     
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    No mea culpa necessary - everything you said was true, and some people deserve to hear it...

    The motivational aspect is worthy of emphasis here. It's a lot easier to get someone into physical shape than it is to change the negative and hostile attitudes of people who don't want to be in the military...
     
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    Should we change our flag too?

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    The DI is really the backbone of the military. They take a raw recruit and have 8 1/2 - 12 weeks to "re-adjust" the attitudes and whip them into shape..physically emotionally and mentally. It certainly goes a long way to have a recruit who made the choice to be there. That is taking nothing away from draftees in the past who served honorably...but the military as an institution prefers voluntary service to mandated conscription. Everyone needs to be on the same page in terms of performing as a team. The DI has to have something to work with initially...a minimum standard that must be met. As I was saying, I'd venture to say that that far less than 50% of the pool of those eligible to serve in terms of age, would meet the minimum initial standards...unfit whether on the basis of physical. mental or moral standards.
     
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    Those other super powers don't possess the "milk of human kindness". We are trying to help others. It doesn't always work, but it is our goal.
     
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    This goes for anybody else who says something that liberal Democrats don't like, too.

    The party of compassion and tolerance. :fart:
     
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    I have no doubt. It's not really a moral issue, but really more of a cowardice issue.
     
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    Well, who better to comment on cowardice than the retarded right.
     

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