The war on Christians

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The global persecution of Christians is the unreported catastrophe of our time

    By John L. Allen Jr.
    5 October 2013

    Imagine if correspondents in late 1944 had reported the Battle of the Bulge, but without explaining that it was a turning point in the second world war. Or what if finance reporters had told the story of the AIG meltdown in 2008 without adding that it raised questions about derivatives and sub-prime mortgages that could augur a vast financial implosion?

    Most people would say that journalists had failed to provide the proper context to understand the news. Yet thatÂ’s routinely what media outlets do when it comes to outbreaks of anti-Christian persecution around the world, which is why the global war on Christians remains the greatest story never told of the early 21st century.

    In recent days, people around the world have been appalled by images of attacks on churches in Pakistan, where 85 people died when two suicide bombers rushed the Anglican All Saints Church in Peshawar, and in Kenya, where an assault on a Catholic church in Wajir left one dead and two injured.

    Those atrocities are indeed appalling, but they cannot truly be understood without being seen as small pieces of a much larger narrative. Consider three points about the landscape of anti-Christian persecution today, as shocking as they are generally unknown. According to the International Society for Human Rights, a secular observatory based in Frankfurt, Germany, 80 per cent of all acts of religious discrimination in the world today are directed at Christians.

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    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9041841/the-war-on-christians/

    All anyone has to refer to is the attacks on Christians in Boko Haram, Burma, India, Iraq, Nigeria, North Korea, Syria, Egypt, and Kenya. Are we to be made to believe that these attacks are isolated?
     
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    Boko Hamar is a terrorist gang NOT a place. They are opposed to Western education.
     
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    Aaaaaaand that's where I stopped reading

     
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    The Christian press has been competing for victim status for over a decade now.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Religious expert on the offer to destroy churches in the Arabian Peninsula: Wahabis got cocky


    Moscow, October 2, Interfax - Grand Mufti of the Saudi Arabia Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah's idea to destroy all churches in the Arabian Peninsula shows "the extreme degree of Wahabi impudence," the expert on Islam Roman Silantyev said.

    The first person of "the most peaceful trend in Islam" again urged to aggressive actions against Christians. It evidently proves that official Wahhabism-Salafism is identical to the ideology of terrorists, who are in fact destroying Christian churches and their parishioners from Pakistan to Nigeria, working especially hard in Syria," Silantyev told Interfax-Religion.

    He reminds that a Russian Orthodox church was opened in the Arabian Peninsula, in the Sharjah emirate, and appeals to destroy it are voiced alongside with declaring Russia Islam's first enemy and beating Russian Ambassador in Wahabi Qatar.

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    http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=10778

    Even those in Russia see the persecution of Christians. Why does the LSM ignore the facts?
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you want to see discrimination against Christians, just look at the post put up by the Left every time a Christian subject comes up. It usually takes no time to reach 500 posts. The Left is all over it.
     
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    LOLOL.. No one is paying attention to Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah.. He's senile.. Thousands of American Christians who live and work in KSA aren't concerned.. Why are you?

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    Really? There are MANY educated Christians who are not fundamentalists or literalists or evangelicals.. but who are tradition and conservative.
     
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    Islam has no tolerance with Christianity. Their plan is to force Islam all over the globe.
     
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    Yeah imagine of correspondents didn't explain it was a turning point in the second world war......hmmmm since it wasn't?

    "All anyone has to refer to is the attacks on Christians in Boko Haram, Burma, India, Iraq, Nigeria, North Korea, Syria, Egypt, and Kenya. Are we to be made to believe that these attacks are isolated?"

    Well you can believe anything you want. If you would like to present some rational explanation on why you think an attack on Christians in North Korea is connected with an attack on Christians in India, feel free to do so.

    I am against all religious persecution- and I think the attacks on Christians around the world for what they believe is terrible.

    But I also believe the attacks on Muslims, Bahai, Hindu's, etc for their beliefs is equally terrible. There is a lot of religious zealotry in the world, which leads to religious bigotry and intollerence.
     
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    That's nonsense.. I am a Christian and along with thousands of other Americans who lived in the ME.. we have NOT ever been insulted.. much less persecuted.

    You are creating fear for yourself with no reason to do so.
     
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    Seriously- the exact same thing on these boards can be said about Islam- except multiply that 'discrimination' by 5 fold. The Right is all over posting against Muslims.
     
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    Very few on this board make a distinction between them.
     
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    I don't see that at all.

    Have you ever been persecuted for your faith? I haven't.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well surely not from the Left. They save that for Christians. Could it be that it comes a lot from the Right because we have so many Muslims that have turned against their country and that Islam is causing trouble all over the planet?
     
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    The US has also created problems all over the planet.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are talking about religion, not governments. Isn't it Islam that calls it's self a religion of peace?
     
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    Didn't you find the Arab countries you lived in very safe and peaceful?

    The hot spots are not about religion.. they are based in politics and economics.
     
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    This is a particularly curious claim.

    I Googled it.

    I can find no such actual quote by the ISHR, and going to their website I cannot find anything even close to that.

    BUT- this claim is repeated all over the place- I mean often copied word for word- and never attributed to any specific article or claim by the ISHR.

    I think this is a claim that either is entirely made up- and repeated over and over- or perhaps is a mangled quote from someone else

    Here is the link to the organization- and search for yourself- no such reference

    http://www.ishr.org/Suchergebnis.866.0.html
     
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    Thank the Jewish God haters in the media.
     
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    Do religions ever call themselves anything? A religion is not a person. Islam doesn't even have a central authority such as the Pope or Dalai Lama. Unless Mohammed said that, I don't know how Islam could call itself the religion of peace.
     
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    I think in actuality is that there are some from the Left- and that would not include myself- that do attack actions of certain Christians- and an even smaller minority blame the entire religion

    And there are a minority of the Right that attack the actions of certain Muslims- and an even smaller minority who blame the entire religion.

    I am pretty much against extreme claims made against either the Right or the Left.

    The reality is that there are plenty of religious bigots who post here against Christians and Muslims. I really don't discriminate against religious bigots- they are equally bigots.
     
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    The majority of the Left that speak out against religion, aim most of it at Christians. Most on the Left that defend religion, do it with Islam, not Christianity. There seems to be a real hate with many on the Left, at least the Left on these boards, against Christianity.
     
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    Like you I researched the subject on another site and was unable to get the answers we are seeking. That doesn't mean that there is no info.
    Read the following:


    http://www.persecution.org/2013/10/03/persecution-of-christians-is-the-unreported-catastrophe-of-our-time/
     
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    Thats just the article you quoted before- or someone copying the same article.

    I don't want to downplay the tragedy of any religious persecution, or the tragedy of any Christians who are murdered for whatever the reasons that they are murdered.

    But since the author of the article you quote seems to think that the Battle of the Bulge was a 'turning point in the Second World War", I have my doubts as to his understanding of history. Since he specifically references a statistic that his source doesn't appear to have ever said- but appears to be an Internet mystery figure, I have my doubts about his other statistics also.

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    The majority of the Right that speak out against religion, aim most of it at Christians. Most on the Right that defend religion, do it with Christianity, not Islam. There seems to be a real hate with many on the Right, at least the Right on these boards, against Islam.
     
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    Interesting that this thread has drawn mostly people on my ignore list....

    The persecution doesn't usually even get covered by the main stream media, so we are ahead of the game.

    We must also recognize too that much of this attack on Christians in Islamic countries is really aimed at Americans. When drones kill most of your village and you associate that with people who attend protestant and catholic churches, well people in catholic and protestant churches are going to get killed because of what Godless America is doing [there is NO WAY God is in drone ambush slaughtering]...it's not like the followers of Islam have shown themselves to be even remotely rational.

    It comes with the faith, it is prophesied in both Jesus' own words and in the Old Testament. And we are told who would do the persecuting way back in Genesis...
    So on the one hand we are confirmed in our faith, on the other we are challenged in it as we are called to turn the other cheek, something the US is not very good at.

    This eye for an eye business is only making this "wild and beastly people" even more irrational and psychotic..what do you expect from a people who think beheading babies while their mother's watch is cool sport for a rainy Saturday.
     

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