Theists - who created your god?

If He's not eternal, then something caused Him.

 

Maybe he spontaneously popped into existence.

 

I'm a theist, I don't believe God was created. I believe he always was and always will be, so to answer your question, nothing created God.

 

It's illogical for something to come out of nothing.

 

you claim that the god of the bible exists, and Muhammed flew on a donkey, and you talk about logic???

LOL!!!!

 

Not it's not, it happens all the time. It's called quantum mechanics. Just cause your mind is unable to understand it, doesn't make it "illogical."

 

So, who or what created the material universe?

 

What a load of crap. There is no such thing as something coming from absolute nothing.

 

a fantasy can come from nothing.

 

Beats the hell outta me.

But I, in my ignorance, do not require a definitive answer. "Unknown" is a perfectly acceptable response to me.

Considering the size, scope and of the universe, our relative microsecond of existence, our limited knowledge and its complementary profound ignorance, and our sensory limitations, the best we can answer at this point are SWAGs (serious wild arse guesses) or SSWAGs (serious scientific wild arse guesses).

 

Okay. I guess the "eternal" argument gets around the "chicken and egg" question quite neatly.

What I find ironic, is the theists often use "causality" as an argument for a creator, but immediately dismiss "causality" of that creator's origins.

 

Why is this eternal being described as a he? Do you really think the being is masculine? Penis, facial hair, etc? What purpose would the penis serve?

 

So nothing came before and there was no causality to the universe's creation.

I suppose by connecting the dots, god along without ourselves were created in the big bang, it just took us 13.8 billion years or so to manifest god's will.

 

I don't see a need for a creator's origin.

 

Blame the English language for not having the appropriate pronoun.

 

You can recognize that you don't know if there is or isn't a God and still be an atheist. Not knowing does not preclude not believing. Agnostic atheist is not a contradiction.

 

How do you know that?

 

Give us the arabic word then.
BTW - Entity, being and other words work. And assign no gender.

 

Where in the Quran does this information come from?
Where in the bible does it come from?

Seems to me allyou have presented is some apologetics, created after the fact when a few inquiring minds happened to ask some pointed questions and answers as to the nature of the unkownable god were required to respond.

I can't get over how much theists know about their unknowable god, particular details of his own environment, his origin or lack thereof and of course his motivations when attributing positive event causality and his unknowable motivations when attributing negative event causality.

 

IOW, Atheism is either "SWAGs (serious wild arse guesses) or a WALF (wild arse leap of faith).

 

No, actually atheism requires NO guesses at all. It begins with a null set of belief and demands EVIDENCE, (not guesses, mythology or the like) to expand that set. OTOH, Explaining the origins of the universe does requires some SSWAGs, but it sure as hell doesn't require WALFs.


as to WALF's, there are no "leaps of faith" in atheism. In fact that is precisely the point.

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Okay.

so your are perfectly comfortable with the obvious causality contradiction in that belief. A chacun son gout.

 

God created the big bang that created God. Without God, there was no Big Bang and without the Big Bang there is no God. IT is the only thing that logically makes sense since the whole cause and effect part of thermodynamics becomes an issue otherwise. Feel free to nominate me for a Nobel Prize or something.

 

You just admitted that atheism requires a leap of faith based on incomplete evidence. Was that an inadvertent misstep?

Or do you think atheism only requires a little hop or skip of faith as opposed to a full WALF?

I am not questioning what you are - just how high you can jump. Show me again.

 

No, I did not.

there is no leap of faith in atheism at all. I find it rather amusing that you think that a lack of evidence is a "leap of faith". You really are confused when it comes to atheism.

It requires no little hop or skip of faith at all. Perhaps you can actually point out what this supposed leap of faith is?

Right over your head it seems.

 

First you admit your own profound ignorance, and that you do not know how the material universe is created - then you profess your odd "belief". A belief system based on profound ignorance. Wouldn't the wiser ignoramus be an agnostic?