This guy gets it

A dumb man beat a very diverse field in republican primary (brain surgeons, master debaters, business people, career slick politicians) and the Clinton machine.

Trump is practical, a street smart type of person. I would take this over the intellectuals who spend their time reading thousands of books in their basement, yet not actually experiencing life.... these theoretical 'central planners' type are the ones who truly know nothing and think they know everything.

but again, he turns people like you into his greatest political weapon. IMO, all the left had to do is remain moderate and be unifiers. Instead, they have turned into their worst enemy - give voice to radicals like the squad (defund police, abolish prisons advocates), make excuses for violent riots, pursue sham investigations like Russia collusion delusion, sham impeachments, sham 'insurrection' congressional investigation (even though DOJ/FBI has already investigated). The talk demeaning white conservatives, parents who express concern over what their kids are being taught, supporting BLM which operates like a terrorist organization, supporting open borders, higher taxes.... pursuing unabated spending, war on energy (crushing consumers)..... etc...

Big mistakes and why Biden/Kamala' APPROVAL ratings are in the floor and over 60% of americans think we are headed in wrong direction. How have you messed up so big? Wasn't it simple? Trump was a monster, idiot and you were going tp make everything alright?

 

It was a significant word to use. That's why it was said 23 times to a mob ready to over turn an election process.
Utters a phrase?
So we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

Why shouldn't we continue talking about the head of one of our two major parties . . . who has remained the head of that party even after trying to steal an election?

 

Who has remained the head of his party even after stealing an election.... Well, for now.

 

Yes, he has remained the head of his party even after trying to steal an election. For now. So, for now, he is still worth talking about. If the GOP ditches him, which I mistakenly thought they would, then I'm happy to stop talking about him.

 

Perhaps it would work better if people were involved instead of paybacks to bribe money.
If we the people actually had standards of our own and held those bribed officials to our personal standards.
Instead of letting them get us to point fingers at each other while they sit back and rake in the good life like royalty.

We have the exact gov't we elect. Every 2 - 4 yrs.

 

So in other words you are taking the "Beginners course to Leftism and the righteous climb to becoming a true Believer" Don't do it bro, it will make your nose bleed and brain splode!

 

Not in my bracket, by my Girlfriend, who is still working, her taxes went up, which is what happened in this blue state.

But, even if they did go down, the piddling amount they would have gone down doesn't offset the night mare that is Donald Trump

 

Trump's tariffs were, collectively, the biggest tax increase since the 90s.

 

Yes, dumb people do have talents.

I once knew an idiot who could barely tie his shoes, but when I played complex dissonant polychord on the piano, he didn't hesitate to name every note without looking at the piano.

I can't even do that.

That's talent.

Like I said, talent and stupidity can reside in the same human being.

You know, the kind of stupidity that would claim democrats stole the election without evidence.

But a clever man would do that because knows his base is that kind of crowd that will swallow his every word.

 

It is awful the way we deal with elections as a society. Perhaps the excuse is that we don't have anybody competent to choose on the ballot. That is also the fault of the voters.

 

In the best way they can possibly do it, each party campaign funds and donors try to pick who they want.
Money coming from other States to another States elections should not be allowed.
Every election has turned into a bid for who donates the most money and the candidate that money wants to chose. It doesn't always go to the one with the most money. But often does.
And then, if the newbies don't cowtow the party line, they basically get black balled in DC.

We need to get big money out of all these local campaigns. I think I've been reading about money being used now at school board level elections.

 

Disagree with what is the question .. disagree that phrases with the word "Fight" are very common in such speaches ? I don't think so .. as that would be denial of the obvious .. and your not doing that..

So what is the disagreement here ? Did you really think this protest was going to overturn the election..that this mob had such power ? Nope .. that can't be it .. So .. if that is the case .. what is all this talk about "Insurrection" a "Coup" - terms which have a military meaning attached to them. Do you sense no politicalization here ? Spidey senses not up to snuff today ? .. don't think its that either.

There are serious questions of law at stake here .. and they are being trodden over -- not even getting a speed bump recognition on the way by.. "Domestic Terrorists" .. that must be it .. you think these unarmed protestors were "Terrorists" and should be treated as such -- something that also has serious legal implications .. for every protest going forward.

This must be it .. you feel deep down that these folks really were Al Qaeda Operatives .. or something related ..

 

I never said, nor inferred, anything close to " legit speech includesbreaking into the Capitol" .. off to a great start this post is ..nothing like a big FAT Strawman Fallacy to start of a good post..

How does me saying that I do not deny Trump tried to overturn election results via speaking out against the process mean that legit free speech includes breaking into the capital.

Big FAT Strawman fallacy followed by Non Sequitur fallacy.

 

Reread Your OWN words, and then note carefully what YOU YOURSELF are clearly referring to.

A little bit of Latin isn't going to help you. You ARE saying that you think that breaking into the Capitol to smear feces on the walls is "legitimate free speech"

 

How does me saying that 1) I do not deny Trump tried to overturn election results via speaking out against the process
mean 2) legit free speech includes breaking into the capital.

Big FAT Strawman fallacy followed by Non Sequitur fallacy.

Either post what I said .. and show how what I said means "legit free speech includes breaking into the capital" or shut up .. and quit projecting your fantasies about what I said .. on to what I said.

Do you like it when others put words in your mouth ?? .. didn't think so .. Try showing the same respect for others .. now bugger off and get a valid argument. ... something better than Strawman fallacy supported by Non Sequitur

 

Are you actually disputing the intent of the riot was to prevent Biden's certification? Read this.......https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html

 

I have yet to see any Trump supporter address the Eastman memo. Wonder why?

 

Disagree about the intent of using the word "fight" 23 times in a speech to a mob with the intent to rile them up.
We both agreed the speech was to rile them up already. But you think saying fight 23 times wasn't part of the riling up. Riled up mob went to Capital and over threw the Capital police and entered the US Capital with the intent to 'stop the steal'. IE halt the election certification process.
I believe their intent was to 'STOP' the election process. They could NOT overturn the process.

 

No Are you actually claiming the Moon is made of green cheese ... followed by some dumb link showing that indeed the moon is not .. ?

 

We both agree the speech was to rile up the mob ..and that the intent of the word fight was to Rile up the mob ..

Nope .. I agree -- and have given you numerous examples .. of the word fight being used to rile up a mob .. is quite normal for protest speeches .. no idea where you got that from.

So .. complete agreement .. Trump did nothign wrong in his speech .. nothing out of the ordinary for these kind of speeches.

 

I say 23 times in a speech is out of the ordinary.

 

So if I pulled up a speech from some Bernie Sandars using the word fight a bunch of times ... you are going to lable him a Terrorist.

Nice .. What is the number of times at which one is a terrorist BTW .. would 10 times in one speech be OK ?

Ohh .. and don't forget the Beastie Boys .. use the word "Fight" over and over again in a protest video .. "Gotta fight for your Right to Party" the word fight even part of the Title which sould count Triple towards the Terrorist score. Asking children to go out and "Fight" ..

As stated previously - This is utilitarian authoritarianism .. a serious spear to the hear of the rule of law .. judicial integrity - and founding principles. ...

But .. no worries .. as long as we get Carrot Top at the end of the day .. ends justify the means .. Let them do what ever they like.

 

Green cheese? The "dumb link" you understandably disparage drives a stake in the heart in your misguided beliefs about the riot and the plan it was launched to hatch.

 

NO ... NO .. NO .. NO .. NO .. NO

What part of NO .. I did not dispute that the intenent of riot was as stated .. are you having trouble understanding ?

The Green Cheese coment was making fun of your strawman fallacy .. now go get a valid argument - and quit making up nonsense and attributing that nonsense to others.