Thought's on Trump's Foreign Policy Stand

GOP Foreign Policy Experts Warn A Trump Presidency Would Endanger America

WASHINGTON -- Sixty Republican national security heavyweights vow in an open letter released late Wednesday to work “energetically” to prevent GOP front-runner Donald Trump from winning the party's nomination.

The experts, who represent vastly divergent GOP ideologies, describe Trump's vision of American influence as “wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle.” They warned that a Trump presidency would “make America less safe” and “diminish our standing in the world.”

The letter was organized by Eliot Cohen, a former State Department official, and Bryan McGrath, a former Mitt Romney adviser. It was released the day after Trump won seven states on Super Tuesday, stoking his momentum and giving fresh urgency to a NeverTrump movement of Republican officials working against him.

In just 454 words, the letter signatories eviscerated Trump for his “expansive use of torture,” his “hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric,” and his expressed admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin. They slammed his proposal to require Mexico to build a wall on its border with the U.S. and accused him of behaving more like a “racketeer” than a dependable ally for suggesting that Japan pay for military protection. They accused Trump of holding an amorphous worldview -- switching from isolationism to interventionism, and refusing to acknowledge his past support for the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the 2011 intervention in Libya.

“We accept that views evolve over time, but this is simply misrepresentation,” they wrote in the letter, signed by several people who backed the Iraq war and who favored supporting the opposition fighters in Libya.

Feel free to read the rest here.......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/foreign-policy-experts-trump_us_56d7c294e4b03a40567779d4

So........this is probably the 2nd or 3rd story that has come out from military personnel from the pentagon or national security personnel who are less than impressed with Mr. Trumps rhetoric, and nonsensical platitudes that seem to resonate so well with the hillbillies & KKK members that attend his rallies.

Thank God there's still some reasonable people left in the country not blinded with seething rage that see this carnival barker for what he is, and aren't willing to flush our country or national security down the drain for him.

There was a story that came out just last week that went into great detail over how:

Former CIA Head Explains Why Armed Forces Can't Legally Obey Trump
"If he were to order that once in government, the American armed forces would refuse to act."

Michael Hayden, the former head of the NSA and CIA, thinks some of presidential candidate Donald Trump's campaign promises are so unlawful that the U.S. Armed Forces could not follow them as orders.

These include Trump's claim that people deserve to be waterboarded even if it doesn't work and that he would target the families of terrorists. The internationally recognized Geneva Conventions bars such action.

"If he were to order that once in government, the American armed forces would refuse to act," Hayden said Friday during an appearance on "Real Time with Bill Maher." "You are required not to follow an unlawful order that would be in violation of all the international laws of armed conflict."

Hayden added that he would be "incredibly concerned" if Trump followed through with his campaign promises as president.


I could post a few more stories that all pretty much follow this train of thought from people "in the know" that are not buying what Mr. Trump is selling, but I think you all get the point.

So.......for all you "Real Patriots" out there supporting Mr. Trump that love to wrap yourselves in the American flag that love & respect your military commanders so much......................what say you???

 

I'm far from a supporter of the idiot and I concur that he could turn out to be exceedingly dangerous for America. A politician-especially a president-is required to be able to think, use diplomacy, listen to advice and understand what 'compromise' means. Trump does not. If America really wants this moronic loose cannon for POTUS then woe betide, and be very careful what you wish for.
As far as diminishing America's standing in the world goes people here already see Trump as an incompetent amateur-usually accompanied by gales of laughter and dumbstruck incredulity that he could even be considered as leader of the world's most powerful nation. The only thing he shares in common with most other politicians (and I use that word loosely in Trump's case), is a big mouth. Behind that there's nothing but a vacant space full of hot air.
What's that old saying; 'an empty vessel makes the loudest sound...'?

 

"...in the letter, signed by several people who backed the Iraq war and who favored supporting the opposition fighters in Libya. "

That kind of says it all right there.

 

Say what they like, at the end of the day it's in the hands of the people.

One man, one vote

 

Trump does not want any confrontation with Russia, he even supports the Russian actions in Syria, Trump sincerely wants to destroy ISIS.

His opponents, like Hillary Clinton, want a nuclear confrontation with Russia, they are crazy warmongers.

https://youtu.be/Fgcd1ghag5Y?t=11

Hillary Clinton is a sick and crazy woman, she can easily start WWIII with the total annihilation of all human beings on our planet.

Donald Trump is a pragmatic politician who can get along with Putin and who can prevent WWIII.

 

Couldn't agree with you more on all points.........

I would never take Mr. Trumps skills away as a real estate mogul, or how he's managed to take the original 2 million that his father gave him (must be nice) and slowly over the years turn it into an empire, but here's the problem.........

Donald has basically spent his entire adult life in the drivers seat barking out orders at everyone around him while they quake in their shoes in fear of losing their jobs. (different animals from the folks in Washington that could give less than a chit about his business accolades)

Donald is the ultimate autocrat, and absolutely does not know how to take orders from other people or advice.

He absolutely doesn't have the temperament that the job of POTUS would demand, and for all that thinks he would modulate & course correct if he wins is not thinking straight or accepting Donald for what he truly is.

All one has to do is pay attention to the way he responds to reporters questions or how he interacts with other candidates on stage or carefully study the things he says & his body language during interviews to see that Donald is never comfortable unless he is in the "commanding position" while not being challenged.

Being president of this country would require Donald to behave in ways he never has all of his adult life, and there would only be confrontation & contempt coming from him towards everyone around him in Washington.

We would be coming out of 8 years of a recalcitrant congress that hasn't worked, and Donald running things wouldn't make it any better.

Based on these stories, and many more like them it looks like there isn't much confidence or faith coming from our military or security experts.....so where does that leave us with Mr. Trump?

It would leave us with the person you described, and if anybody truly cares about this country they absolutely wouldn't vote for Donald Trump.

 

As with virtually everything Trump says he will do, I find it extremely unlikely he will even try to accomplish any of it. His blather is indeed hurting the American reputation around the world but is likely to be gone with him pretty soon. If by chance I am wrong....we are all screwed, and so will be any allies who still want to even talk to us.

 

Ok...........fine..............

So why aren't all these same military & security experts saying ALL the same things "your" saying about Hillary.....?

What was that, you'll have to speak up, seriously I can't hear you........OVER ALL OF THESE CRICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You've made my day. As if you have any reputation around the world. It's gone many years ago. If Hillary wins the presidency, you are definitely screwed. The world is screwed.

 

Actually, I think what Tecoyah was trying to say is that Donald Trump is a train wreck, and that if he became the next president of this country, wherever we are at present regarding our allies in the world, we would be a thousand times worse if Trump were elected.

Here's just a pinch of the accolades given to Mrs. Clinton from her work as Secretary of State and every person on the planet knows (including dogs) that Donald Trump could NEVER accomplish a fraction of these things.


Kissinger, Henry (Secretary of State under Pres. Nixon and Pres. Ford, National Security Advisor under Pres. Nixon and Pres. Ford)
Sec. Kissinger, on Sec. Clinton: “I’ve known her for many years now, and I respect her intellect.”

Sec. Kissinger, on Sec. Clinton: “She ran the State Department in the most effective way that I’ve ever seen.”

Sec. Kissinger: “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president.”

Sec. Kissinger: “She’d [Sec. Clinton would] put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.”

Rice, Condoleezza (Secretary of State under Pres. Bush, earlier National Security Advisor for Pres. Bush)
“No, look, it’s a unique situation. I think we all see that it’s unique. But my successor, Hillary Clinton, is an extremely talented woman. She is a woman of integrity. She believes in this country deeply.

Ridge, Tom (Homeland Security Secretary)
The Hill: Former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge said he always had “productive’” meetings with Sec. Clinton when he was in the Cabinet.

Daniels, Mitch (former Governor of Indiana and current President of Purdue University)
Gov. Mitch Daniels: “She is comprehensively experienced and has advantages that some of the other contenders would have to scramble to match in terms of her exposure to the world and… foreign policy.”

Huckabee, Mike (former Governor of Arkansas and attempted presidential candidate in 2008
Gov. Mike Huckabee: “I would have great respect for the formidable nature of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy.”

Gov. Mike Huckabee described Sec. Clinton as “smart” and “tough.”

Gov. Mike Huckabee, on Sec. Clinton: “She’s a policy genius.”

Kasich, John (Governor of Ohio)
John Kasich on Hillary Clinton: “I know her. I like her. I’ve worked with her.”

Petraeus, David
Gen. Petraeus, on Sec. Clinton: “She’d make a tremendous President.”


This list of accolades from both Democrats & Republicans just goes on & on & on & on by the way.

Here's the link: (happy trails)
http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/

I wonder if you could find one person.........with any foreign policy experience..........that could make one positive remark about Donald Trump.

 

I know but the real life facts are entirely different. An American ambassador in Libya was a butt-raped, humiliated and killed like a dog under her watch. She proved to be an absolutely incompetent when it comes to foreign policies. She is the most responsible person for a mess in Libya.

 

What standing in the world? We don't have any other than in the propaganda of the MSM. My only fear is that Trump will end up being advised by the same sociopaths who advised the previous administrations and destroyed the ME and Eastern Europe ...starting with Clinton.

And the hypocrisy never ends....

 

The only problem with Trump, is that his military advisers might be pressured by the same evils that has forced our other presidents to destroy one nation after another. Let's hope if he becomes president, that he has the strength and insight to combat them.

At least though with Trump there is hope, with Clinton there is none.

 

they assume a future where we are still allied with western europe. with europe killing itself over the migrant crisis why cant russia be our major ally in the future?

 

Ok.......

Now lets have a conversation based in reality instead of fantasy.

I think we can agree that "chit happens" everyday in this world.

People die, people hurt each other, and people do horrible things to each other every single day.......under the watchful protection of police, Mayor's, Military Commanders, Governors, Presidents, and Secretary of State's

Men rape each other in prisons everyday under the watchful eye of prison guards & the wardens that run those prisons. (are they all incompetent)

My point is....to use the example of a person getting killed or hurt while working for or within a certain organization or institution - while a particular person is in charge of or running that organization or institution - is ridiculous.

The people running these organizations cannot be everywhere every second, nor can they hold everybody's hand all the time.

When soldiers enlist they are well aware of the risk of potential bodily harm or even death, just as Police & Firefighters are.

Would you say that a city police commissioner or fire chief is responsible for one of their people getting hurt while on the line of duty?

If the answer is no..............then you have nor argument regarding Hillary.

If we used your analogy, and broadened it you could say that Queen Elizabeth is incompetent because some idiot beat up his wife in London last week. In other words where does the line of responsibility end?

It starts & ends with the assailant, with the aggressor.

People are responsible for themselves.............

Some Muslim guy in Paris working at a bakery, minding his own business isn't responsible for some terrorist whack-job in Syria that just cut somebody's head off.

Some Cardinal in Rome giving a sermon on God isn't responsible for some pedophile priest in Boston sodomizing a child.

Some Christian preacher driving to work in Canada isn't responsible for some religious fanatic in Tennessee swimming in snakes wanting to be bitten by them.

So lets stop using every & any little excuse under the sun to try to paint Hillary as Satan himself shall we?

 

You didn't mention the dates of the accolades, and in what context they were made? Why do I have the strange feeling that they were make in preference to her opponent ... who just happened to be Obama at the time.

I thought well of her at the time to, and that Obama's foreign policy would be a disaster... which of course it is. Now I know better, and have seen the results and realize as everyone else who has a minimum amount of intelligence, that the foreign policies of our government is formed by Washington's think tanks ...and they are the same people who support Hillary Clinton.

 

What is it with these animals and sodomy?

Gadaffi met his end by being sodomized with a knife in the streets.

Hillary Clinton's comment on this? "We came, we saw, he died. HAHAHAHAHA!!"

She's a sick twisted (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I just clicked on the web site that I provided.............that you didn't click on.

Most of the dates seem to be in 2014 & 2013 with some, yes, in 2008 to your point.

Although there could be some validity to your points, do you honestly believe in your heart that Donald would promote good relationships with all of our allies, and with most countries........really, and could you say it with a straight face?

 

I should hope it would depend on who the allies are and what their values and standards are, and whether they truly conform with those of the American people... Instead of Washington just backing the most evil and genocidal ones and then covering up their crimes by making the victim the perpetrator, and the perpetrator the victim.

As for Trump, he will have a tough job ahead of him, but he does have a lot of energy and he is strong willed, so he might be able to change quite a few things. As for what he said about Muslims and Mexicans coming into the country, I think he just wants stronger regulations and the media is deliberately taking everything out of context.

Hillary on the other hand would be a continuation of the same policies which has destroyed so many countries. Russia had shown that it will never go along with this, so with Hillary we are definitely heading into a world war. With Trump there is some hope.

 

The following video might be taken lightly by some people, but it shouldn't be since it's an example of not only Hillary Clinton's leanings towards the occult and necromancy, but also of the leanings of those who support her. Bill Clinton said Hillary speaks to Eleanor Roosevelt in a very matter of fact way... as if it's commonplace among all 'enlightened' people to delve into such things.

Necromancy is known as black magic, and the entity she speaks to is appearing in the form of Eleanor Roosevelt. This was fashionable among the nobility in Europe before WWI, and especially among the nobility in Russia before the revolution. This doesn't bode well for this country. ..and for the world.

[video=youtube;jvIQrYe0Iz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIQrYe0Iz4[/video]

 

If he has public support, then he can change a lot. You cannot control the people via the controlled media like it was the case in the past, and that may change a lot.

It was very easy to fool people via the controlled media, but today there is internet, and the talking heads in the lamestream media are not as important, as it was the case in the past.

As a prominent American said: You Cannot Fool All the People All the Time!

Exactly!
Like Trump himself says: There is a new movement, and he is just a messenger of this movement, maybe not the best messenger, but the movement cannot be stopped any more. You cannot govern against the interests of the majority of your voters, and most voters are convinced, that their interests are neglected, they were stampeded into unnecessary wars, that began with WWI, the WWII was just a continuation of WWI, and if the spell is not broken, then we will have WWIII for the same reasons, and that may be the end of life on our planet.

 

Right on the money

Anywy, huffingtonpost is rubbish

 

You never struck me as one who would fall for the "words" of others. Even were it your dog in the hunt.

As for Trump
The smoke and mirrors go 360 degrees with Trump. No sane person would take ANYTHING he has said to the bank.
I don't see how anyone can truly say what he will do. I doubt he even knows. It could be he will leave foreign policy to the foreigners and just torture us here at home for 4 years.
Trump reminds me of the slot machine i fed a c-note to the other day (i NEVER play slots, LOL) You spin the wheel and even when you do win you have no clue how or why.

Trump or Clinton, odds are both will be a disaster. Just different ways

 

I can absolutely appreciate how much people are tired of status quo politicians, and I would be the first to admit that I'm not overly thrilled with a lot of the policy decisions we have made regarding all of the meddling in the Middle East that caused such a hornets nest........but.........

For anybody to think that Donald would be "the smartest guy in the room" making the best decisions on what to do with the Israeli/Palestinian problem, and so many other problems can't be fully engaged or listening to the things that he's saying.

That's why this thread was stared for goodness sake, for all of you to take a look at what our "real" military & "real" security experts are saying about Donald's ideas, and how laughable they are.

The things I'm posting are not my thoughts or opinions as much as they're the thoughts & opinions of people who have been engaged in the fight, and truly know what it takes to win.

Ever since Donald has thrown his hat into the ring, and made all of the crazy claims he has about what he'd do with any enemies we may have or how he would tackle any present conflicts we may currently be in - many, top brass officials have come out & categorically called Donald out on all of it as someone who is woefully lacking any real ideas that would genuinely help.

Yet, there are many who seem to think that Donald knows better than people that have been at this their entire lives?

I try my best to respect everybody's position on things but honestly I can't wrap my brain around why people are so into Donald or what makes them think he's actually sincere & genuine..........about anything.

We'll all see soon enough if he were to win but I'm positive that the articles I posted today will only continue to increase from our military leaders who seem to be growing very tired & very leery of Donald.

 

LOL. The USSR fell, get over it. They abandoned their ME allies, and US tried to withdraw from the ME but Iraq invaded Kuwait, get over it. The power vacuum amongst this there let the long standing muslim extremists rally a new Jihad against the West, and the West did what it had to do to try and control the region's destabilization, get over it. The ME would have been much worse right now if not for what the US has done in the ME since Bush, get over it. Oh, and Russia is the only one screwing over Eastern Europe.

But yea, Trump looks like a nutter. You cannot play by corporate or national politics rules in the international political arena. I cannot imagine what is going through the minds of those people who support Trump.