Totalitarianism in Europe Isn't Dead: Hungary Is a Disgrace for Europe!

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  1. janpor

    janpor Well-Known Member

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    Goodness gracious!

    First off, technically you appear to be correct -- if we accept Wikipedia as a good source. Which I personally believe it is for a forum like this.

    Secondly, there is nothing "absurd" about my reasoning, since a "legal document" or a set of couple "legal documents" doesn't make a constitution.

    The main aspect of a constitution is to set out how "The State" is governed and organized, and which fundamental rights and duties are of play for the citizenry of the sovereign entity the constitution is set-up to apply to.

    My comments on Tamora's post were, nonetheless, entirely valid.

    [I did some reading for a couple of minutes and now I'm entirely confused. UK is a mess: written, unwritten, codified, uncodified -- it's around the place!]

    I've got a question that hopefully could clarify things:

    Question: How do you change "the constitution" in the UK?
     
  2. janpor

    janpor Well-Known Member

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    Uhm, I never said that the UK "hasn't have a constitution".

    Let us keep it honest, shall we?!

    I said they didn't have a written one. And the point was: "How does one change an unwritten constitution".

    To me it sounds the same like painting the wall when there are no walls to begin with... That is the main source of my confusion...

    Anyways, I think there is a cultural difference going on here...

    Ordered Continental Europeans vs. Disorganized Bunch Living On A Series Of Isles. :love:
     
  3. tamora

    tamora New Member

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    The UK does have a written constitution. It just isn't all written in one place. It's as real as any other constitution.

    Maybe you'll accept the BBC as a source?
     
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    You dismissed my point that Britain had a constitution it just wasn't codfied. with the rather flippant remark that

    No they don't, but those legal documents do.



    No you referred to the 'fantasy' British Constitution. There is nothing fantastical about the British constitution. In that respect your remarks were invalid.


    IDK I fell asleep before the lecturer got to that.:-D

    Be a fabulous Jurist. Pass a law creating new rights. Or a law abolishing a royal prerogative.

    Start a rebellion cut off the kings head.
     
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    ryanm34 New Member

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    Lets be honest. Here is what you said.

    How do you interpret the word fantasy because in the most of the English speaking word fantasy generally refers to something not real or imaginary.
     
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    janpor Well-Known Member

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    The UK hasn't have a written constitution to begin with, so asking approval to change that fantasy constitution would be sort of unnecessary.

    :twocents:
     
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    ryanm34 New Member

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    Not really answering my question just repeating yourself.
     
  8. tamora

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    So you didn't accept the BBC and the expert it consulted as reliable sources? Or did you miss my post entirely?

    Here's the pertinent parts:


    The constitution of a country is a set of rules regulating the powers of its government and the rights and duties of its citizens.

    In all but a handful of democracies in the world, the nation's constitution can be found in a single document. The exceptions are Israel, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.


    As a result, people sometimes say that we in Britain do not have a constitution.


    It is true that there is no enacted document in which the constitution can be found (unlike the Republic of Ireland, for example, or the United States).


    It is also true that we do not have 'constitutional' laws - laws of fundamental importance that can only be changed through some special legislative procedure.



    An 'unwritten constitution'?



    But the United Kingdom does have a constitution; it is just a little hard to track down.


    People frequently say we have an 'unwritten constitution' in the United Kingdom.


    Professor Vernon Bogdanor of Oxford University dismisses this as a 'misleading platitude'.


    As he explains, much of our constitution is to be found in written documents or statutes such as Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Act of Settlement and the Parliament Acts.


    Clear enough? Or are you going to continue with your ignorant comments in the face of expert opinion?
     
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    move it to east Europe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
     
  10. spt5

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    I understand that Sweden is really North West Lithuania, but why do you want to move it to East Europe?
     

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