Trial of SS medic who served at Auschwitz begins in Germany

Well, here we go again, I guess. This is so bad. I cannot believe these psychopaths are doing this to these people. He was a medic for crying out loud. 95 years old... really?!?

So important it must be to keep the lies alive for the public. And there is no way he can even get a fair trial as questioning the official narrative is illegal in this court. What is more disgusting? The absolute lack of justice or the fact the world has not yet risen and demanded that HISTORY IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/e98174...df0d455d/ss_trial-of-ss-medic-who-served.html

 

Who told you history is open for discussion?
I think there is a conspiracy sub-forum for this thread. You can go discuss history with the ancient aliens crowd.

Arrivederci!

 

He is getting a fair trial.
Irrespective of all the arguments which pertain to holocaust denial and its affiliated beliefs; the Nazi's did murder innocent people.

I agree that history should be open to discussion which it is.
I have to admit that its difficult to know whether its worth prosecuting a 95 old man but the law is the law.

 

He is hoping for a conviction so that they will pick up the tab for his medical care and housing.

 

And Mengele was a doctor for crying out loud.

Which part of history is NOT open for legitimate discussion?

Your beloved quack denialists do not offer up legitimate discussion at all, which is really what you are whinging about.
The fact that legitimate historians, archaeologists and researchers don't recognize any of the denier's findings as "legitimate" by the standards of academia.

 

They may as well did up every Nazi they can find out of the ground, place them in a show trial, and hang the remains.

Sometimes it is okay to "disrespect the dead" and sometimes not.

 

If he was a "medic" he probably helped with some of Mengele's "experiments"

Maybe we should give him a taste of that as punishment, put him outside in subzero weather naked and pour ice water over him. See how long it takes a 95 year old man to freeze to death.

INALB Denialism has been found to be actionable slander. As I understand the matter this board takes a chance of its administrators being named in a class action suit every time they let a denialist post or poster on here, just saying

 

History is not open for discussion asserts the guy discussing history in a thread where members continue to discuss the very historical subject in question in a forum where history is discussed on a daily basis.

 

If you want to debate about history, go to a history forum. I'm a well active member of a history forum where Holocaust deniers and similar "geniuses" are usually ridiculed because of their lack of education and knowledge.

It's too easy to play the role of the educated expert of history on a political forum ... [and it's a well known propaganda trick: discuss history where no one can confute or reject what you're sustaining simply because there are no historians around].

Childish and ridicule.

 

Dr. Mengele denied Auschwitz was a death factory




"I gave life in Auschwitz, I did not take it."

- Dr. Mengele




Very few human beings have been made a villain as much as Doctor Joseph Mengele. It has been alleged, based solely on the basis of eyewitness testimony, that Dr. Mengele performed horrible experiments on patients in work camps. The actual basis for these accusations will be the subject of a further article.

I wish to explore here the research interests of Doctor Mengele, as well as the scientific motivations for those, and finally the actual approach taken by Dr. Mengele and his colleagues on their research on tuberculosis.

During the war period, Josef Mengele had two different research programs that he wanted to implement, one was dealing with the fertility rate, more specifically the investigation of the biological basis for the birth of twins, the other had to deal with research in the genetics of the susceptibility to tuberculosis. The first area of research had obvious interest from the perspective of a white nationalist, as back then, as is the case now, less gifted races , in general, such as blacks tend to have a fertility rate that is higher than whites. The impact of such a demographic assymetry are documented, for example, in chapter 13 and 14 of the book " The bell curve". It is alleged, that in performing such research, Dr. Mengele performed unethical experiments. It will be my contention, in an upcoming article, that there is but very scant evidence for such accusations.

What detractors of Dr. Mengele will reluctantly concede, and that is documented, is he provided medical services for free on numerous occasions during his sojourn in South America. That an alleged monster would suddenly become a benefactor to empoverished sick people should remain a bit of an enigma to his Jewish detractors.

That being said, Mengele knew , at the beginning of the war, that races differ very substantially in their susceptibility to tuberculosis. Blacks and Asian population are relatively susceptible, whereas Whites are more resistant, this is true both in terms of incidence of infection, severity of the infectious process, as well as in the possible sequelae of the disease. The reasons are two fold: first, dark skin leads to a defect in the production of a derivative of vitamin D ( the derivative is 1, 25 dihydroxyvitamin D3, or calcitriol ) which is important in rendering cells refractory to replication of the bacilli. Another reason is an inherent defect in the white blood cells from these races to kill the bacilli ( the work of Crowle and associates).

The Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics in Berlin-Dahlem was a renowned centre of scientific research in Germany. In collaboration with researchers from that Institute, Mengele wanted to analyse the basis of racial differences in the susceptibility to tuberculosis. Josef Mengele was actually a former postdoctoral fellow of the director of the institute, Otmar von Verschuer. Mengele collected blood samples in the work camp in Auschwitz from families and twins of Jews and Gypsies. The blood samples were analysed by Gunther Hillmann in the Berlin laboratory of Nobel Prize winner Adolf Butenandt. Butenandt had just moved to Tubingen. The project was paid for by the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft. Butenandt, Hillmann and von Verschuer made scientific careers in the Federal Republic.

The data retrieved involved the replication of the bacillus in the sera samples obtained. The data were inconclusive, and pointed out to the difficulty of reproducibly obtaining vigorous replication of the bacilli in the sera samples.

Of course, Mengele could not have known at the time that human sera is not conducive to the replication of the bacilli. This is due, as shown by the body of work of Kochan and his associates, to the fact that certain factors in the sera block the retrieval of iron by the bacilli and therefore block its replication. The data were inconclusive, and pointed out to the difficulty of reproducibly obtaining vigorous replication of the bacilli in the sera samples.

These subtleties were actually worked out in the 1970 s. In any case, the basis for the work was a sound set of observations, a sound sample selection, and no unethical approach was taken.

Even Muller-Hill, a detractor of Mengele, makes it clear that there is absolutely no evidence that he deliberately infected humans with tuberculosis.

This is in contrast to deliberate infections of black inmates with syphilis which started in 1932, which elicited an apology from none other than Bill Clinton in 1997 (Stout D. Related Articles Clinton to express regret for experiment on blacks.NY Times. 1997 Apr 9;:B8. and Survivors of Tuskegee study get apology from Clinton.NY Times (Print). 1997 May 17;:10).

It is concluded that Dr. Mengele performed rational, well thought out experiments in the field of tuberculosis, and no evidence of unethical treatment of the human subjects is available.

Some sources:
Muller-Hill B. Nature Reviews in Genetics 2001 Aug;2( 8 ):631-4
Genetics of susceptibility to tuberculosis: Mengele's experiments in Auschwitz.

Muller-Hill reviewed in
Pubbl Stn Zool Napoli II 1999;21(3):331-65

Crowle AJ, Ross EJ. Comparative abilities of various metabolites of vitamin D to protect cultured human macrophages against tubercle bacilli. Journal of Leukocyte Biology 1990 Jun;47(6):545-50.

Crowle AJ, Ross EJ, May MH. Inhibition by 1,25(OH)2-vitamin D3 of the multiplication of virulent tubercle bacilli in cultured human macrophages.
Infection and Immunity 1987 Dec;55(12):2945-50.

Crowle AJ, Elkins N. Relative permissiveness of macrophages from black and white people for virulent tubercle bacilli.
Infection and Immunity 1990 Mar;58(3):632-8.

Kochan I. The role of iron in bacterial infections, with special consideration of host-tubercle bacillus interaction.
Current Topics in Microbiology and Immunology 1973;60:1-30. Review.

 

Link and source please

 

Zefke got to live a nice long life. His victims did NOT. I do not feel sorry for the animal.

 

How many people have heard of the bloodthirsty, psychopathic jewish war criminal Salomon Morel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

So jews persecute a frail 95-year-old non-jew because he worked as a doctor in a "concentration camp" when he was young, but they refuse to extradite a jewish war criminal who brutally murdered 2000 non-jews.

How do we justify this blatant hypocrisy?

And as usual, the sick torture and murder fantasies come from the pro-jewish camp. I've seen it countless times.

 

You can see the sources in the text you quoted.

Besides that, there is no evidence of any 'horrific experiments' which Dr. Mengele performed; it's all based on 'eyewitness' accounts.

Of which we know these are very unreliable in this case, since hundreds of eyewitnesses also claimed Dachau to be an extermination camp, while later it became officially known that this was not the case.

 

No link? So you wrote it all yourself.

 

"When the subject was raised by Rolf, his father ''exploded.'' Mengele turned on his son and said, ''How can you imagine that I could do such things - it's a lie, propaganda!'' Unrepentant, Mengele claimed that as a doctor he had actually ''helped'' to save many lives in the death camp."

- New York Times: October 14, 1985


"I don’t have anything to hide. Terrible things happened at Auschwitz, and I did my best to help. One could not do everything. There were terrible disasters there. I could only save so many. I never killed anyone or hurt anyone. I can prove I am innocent of what they could say against me. I am building the facts for my defense. I want to turn myself in and be cleared at a trial."

- Dr. Mengele

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth....d-auschwitz-was-death.html?zx=500c7b3fd39afb9

 

Your source is a Holocaust Denial blog. Guess we know there is no legitimate source for your stuff.

 

Yeah so? But Dr. Mengele's quotes are sourced there.

Here's quite a remarkable account as well btw:

[video=youtube;-XSTFA93jqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSTFA93jqk[/video]

A Jewish "Holocaust Survivor" describes being transited through "pure extermination camp" Sobibor to another camp, where upon arrival, Jews from Bohemia were playing soccer and singing.

We are told that the concentration and labor camps of the Germans were "Hells on Earth."

Would you voluntarily play soccer and sing songs if you were hungry and emaciated, with evil demonic guards willing to select you for death if you didn't have enough energy to work?

Video testimony such as this prove Jewish concentration camp inmates were at times well fed enough to play energetic recreational soccer games.

Holocaust Revisionists or Holocaust Deniers claim the photographs and video of emaciated "human skeletons" shown at the end of the war are victims not of a deliberate starvation / extermination policy, but victims of disease and the bombing of supply lines to camps by the Allies. They are representative of the collapse of the entire German infrastructure at the end of the most devastating war mankind has ever seen, not representative of the condition of camp inmates throughout World War II.

 

I agree, let it go, time to move on already, I feel sorry for these people that this is happening too now, 95 years old, let it go....

 

The problem is that the Holocaust didn't even happen.

They're only making these show-trials to keep the lie alive.

 

Yeah umm.Here's what he really did:
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007060

 

Why would Germany do that?

 

A lot of story, but not a shred of evidence.

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Because Germany is still fully under foreign control.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/05/germany-still-under-the-control-of-foreign-powers/

 

This is true.However it is a government website.I saw some actual documentation with translations before,but it was on microfiche and a long time ago.