Trial of SS medic who served at Auschwitz begins in Germany

For a long time I believed the Holocaust to be true, including all the horrific stories about Dr. Mengele.

But 8 years ago I stumbled upon the tour which the Jewish guy David Cole made from Auschwitz back in the 90's which blew my mind:

[video=youtube;WmYFpiCo1-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYFpiCo1-g[/video]

From there on I started looking more into it and could only conclude the event didn't happen.

 

Here's a very good and well-documented piece on Mengele.
https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/553409/vansuchBryan.pdf?sequence=1

 

David Cole has stated that Six million Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany. Has you video been reviewed by any qualifying body for assurances of accuracy? If so, which one(s).

 

Lot of text again, but contains no solid evidence. It's all based on hear-say, and in a proper court that would be a lost case.

 

VT is an antisemitic holocaust denying website and that convicted Holocaust liar Zundels wife is hardly an authority on anything save hate. In any case, between the idiocy of assuming that the German people who make their own laws up are under the control of something else simply becasue she and other Holocaust Deniers don't like it is stupid to say the least.

The cesspools of hate you get your stuff from amaze me. Don't you guys ever read something that's not from a Holocaust Denying site?

 

Unfortunately there are no qualifying bodies for it, since they all belong to the government, and the government doesn't want the truth regarding the Holocaust to be told.

But if you watch Cole's tour, you'll get to see the impossibilities and contradictions with your own eyes.

 

It's not all based on hearsay.There is circumstantial evidence and a paper trail as well.

 

Like I said, I believed the Holocaust to be true for a long time...

But that was because of what they had taught me in school and have shown me in Hollywood movies, like Schindler's list.
I basically accepted it without questioning, just like you are doing now.

However, if you look into it yourself, you'll find out it didn't happen as well.

- - - Updated - - -

Well, show me then.

 

Nice try. The entire paper is referenced on each page with a bibliography in the appendix.

 

Your evidence comes in the form of memes, unsourced youtube videos posted by anonymous sources, hate sites run by white supremacists or acknowledged antisemitism, your proof never comes from the original source but rather is filtered through one of those above mentioned mediums or, it is heavily edited so as to change the entire context. All the while HDs denegrate anything peer reveiew or from award winning and trusted sources by saying that Jews have placed them under pressure to say this or that. Anybody that needs to do that doesn't have a sure footing in a debate and so I never took anything Holocaust Deniers say with a grain of salt.

 

Has it been properly reviewed by a credited experts who can vouch for it's accuracy and intellectual quality? I ask this as he has been known to lie.

 

I'm sure all these people wrote all the books and articles they did based on solely hearsay,right?
Multiple eyewitness accounts that all corroborate each others' stories.Physical evidence as well.
Notice the picture of Zyklon-B cans.
PS:I have seen Jew-filling ashtrays with my own eyes.





BIBLIOGRAPHY
Adam, Yehuda G.
“Aide Memoire
–
The Role of the German Medical Establishment in the
Holocaust: A Retrospective on the 60th Anniversary
of the Liberation of Auschwitz.”
IMAJ
7
,
(
2005):
139
-
142.
Adelsberger
, Lucie.
Auschwitz: A
Doctor’s Story
.
Boston: Northeastern University Press, 1995
.
Austin, Ben S. “Law for the Protection of Hereditary Health: The Attempt to Improve the
German Aryan Breed, July 14, 1933.” The Holocaust/Shoah Page.
http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/nurmlaw1.html
(accessed January, 2011).
Baker, Robert B. and Laurence B. McCullough, eds.
The Cambridge World History of Medical
Ethics
.
New York: Cambridge University Press, 2009
.
Bettelheim,
Bruno.
The Informed Heart
.
New York: Avon Books, 1973.
Brody, Howard,
Zahra Meghani
, and Kimberly Greenwald, eds.
Michael Ryan’s Writings on
Medical Ethics
.
New York: Springer Publishing, 2009
.
Callaghan, Daniel.
“Death and the Research Imperative
.
”
New England Journal of
Medicine
342
,
(2000)
:
654
-
656.
Carroll, Archie B and Ann K. Buckholtz.
Business & Society: Ethics and Stakeholder
Management,
7
th
Ed
.
Mason: South
-
Western Cengage Learning, 2008
.
Cohen, Baruch C.
“The Ethics of Using Med
ical Data from Nazi
Experiments.
”
Jewish Law
Articles
(April 2004).
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html
(accessed
February, 2011).
Dallas, Stuart MacGregor. Interview by author,
7 December 2010, Washington, DC, email
correspondence.
Dunning, Brian. "Mengele's
Boys from Brazil.
"
Skeptoi
d.com
(
May 4,
2010).
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4204
(accessed September, 2010).
Friedlander, Henry.
The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution
.
Chapel Hill: The University of North Carolina Pres
s, 1995
.
Gerson, Lloyd P.
“The Morality of Na
tions: An Aristotelian Approach.” I
n
Aristotle’s Politics
Today
.
Edited by
Lenn E. Goodman & Robert B Talisse
.
Albany: State University of
New York Press, 2007
.
Goldhagen, Daniel Jonah.
Hitler’s Willing
Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust
.
New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1996
.
98
Grad, Frank P.
“
Medical Ethics and the Law.
”
Annals of the American Academy of Political
and Social Science
437
,
(
197:
19
-
36
.
Gruenwald
, Hermann.
After
Auschwitz: One Man’s Story
.
Montreal: McGill
-
Queen’s
University Press, 2007
.
The Holocaust, Crimes, Heroes and Villains. “Victims of Mengele.”
http://auschwitz.dk/Mengele/id24.htm
(accessed December, 2010).
Kamenetsky
, Ihor.
Secret Nazi Plans for
Eastern Europe: a Study of Lebensraum Policies
.
New Haven: Yale College University Press, 1961
.
Kanfer, Stephan and Peter Carlson.
“The Life and Times of a Nazi Doctor
.
”
People Magazine,
24 June 1985
.
Koehl, Robert L.
German Resettlement and Popula
tion Policy 1939
-
1945.
Cambridge: Harvard
University
Press, 1957.
Kottow, M.H.
“
Should M
edical Ethics Justify Violence?
”
Journal of Medical Ethics
(
2006):
464
-
467.
Lagnado, Lucette Matalon and Sheila Cohn Dekel.
Children of the Flames: Dr. Josef
Mengele
and the Untold Story of the Twins at Auschwitz
. New York: William Morrow and
Company, 1991.
Langbein, Hermann, trans. Harry Zohn.
People in Auschwitz
.
Chapel Hill: The University of
North Carolina Press, 2004
.
Levi, Primo.
Survival in
Auschwitz
.
New York: Classic House Books, 2008
.
Lifton, Robert Jay.
“The Doctors of Auschwitz: The Biomedical Vision
.
”
Psychohistory Review
11
,
(1983
): 36
-
46.
Lifton, Robert Jay.
“M
edicalized Killing in Auschwitz.”
Psychiatry
45
,
(
1982):
283
-
297.
Lifton, Robert Jay.
The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide
.
New
York: Basic Books, Inc., Publishers, 1986
.
Lingens
-
Reiner
, Ella.
Prisoners of Fea
r
.
London: Gollancz Publishing, 1948
.
Lynot
t
, Douglas B. “Josef Mengele.
”
TruTV
.com
Online Magazin
e.
No Date Given.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/history/mengele/4b.html
(accessed
November, 2010).
Markuson, Eric, and David Kopf.
The Holocaust and Strategic Bombing: Genocide and Total
War in the 20
th
Centur
y.
Colorado: Westview Press, 1995
.
99
Matthaus
, Jurgen, ed.
Approaching an Auschwitz Survivor: Holocaust Testimony and its
Transformations
.
Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2009
.
Miller, Fred D. “Aristotelian Autonomy.
” I
n
Aristotle and Modern Politics: The Persistence of
Political Philosophy
,
Edited by
Aristide Tessitore.
South Bend: University of Notre
Dame Press, 2002
.
Mitscherlich, Alexander.
Doctors of Infamy: The Story of the Nazi Medical Crimes
. New York:
Henry
Schuman, 1949.
Mulgan, R.G.
Aristotle’s Political Theory: An Introduction for Students of Political Theory
.
Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1977
.
Nyiszli, Dr. Miklos.
Auschwitz: A Doctor’s Eyewitness Account
. New York: Arcade Publishing,
1993.
Orr, Rob
ert D.
Medical Ethics and the Faith Factor: A Handbook for Clergy and Health
-
Care
Professionals
.
Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2009
.
Plotkin, Diane.
Problems Unique to the Holocaust
.
Lexington, The University of Kentucky
Pr
ess, 1999
.
Posner, Gerald L and John Ware.
Mengele: The Complete Story
. New York: McGraw
-
Hill Book
Company, 1986.
Post, Stephen G.
“
The Echo of Nuremberg: Nazi Data and Ethics
.
”
Journal of Medical Ethics
17
,
(
1991):
42
-
44
.
Post, Stephen G.
“N
azi
Data and the Rights of Jews.
”
Journal of Law and Religion
6
,
(198:
429
-
433
.
Rachels, James.
The Elements of Moral Philosophy: Second Edition
.
New York: McGraw
-
Hill,
1993
.
Rhodes, Rosamon
, Leslie P. Francis, and Anita Silvers.
The Blackwell
Guide to Medical Ethics
.
Malden:
Blackwell Publishing, 2007.
Rosenblum, Joe.
Defy the Darkness: A Tale of Courage in the Shadow of Mengele
.
Connecticut: Praeger, 2001
.
Rubenstein, Richard.
The Cunning of History: The Holocaust and the American Futur
e
. New
York:
Harper Torchbooks, 1975
.
Rummel, R.J.
Death by Governmen
t
.
London: Transaction Publishers, 1996
.

 

Of course not. And how convenient that these clowns ignore the fact that Cole's infamous video interview of Piper was angrily rebutted by Piper himself. Seems Cole used some creative editing that made it seem that Piper confirmed there were no gas chambers at auschwitz. Nothing new to see, just more dishonest sleazy tactics from slimy denialists, both then and now.

 

One of the leading authorities on the gas chambers and crematoria of Auschwitz started off being a denier himself. His name is Pressac and he along with his then fellow denier Faurisson attempted to prove the denialist case in the late 80's. Lo and behold in doing the research, the scientist (chemist) in him came to the for and he completely reversed his position and became a leading authority on auschwitz. Faurisson, a french literature professor apparently wasn't familiar with the scientific method and like most deniers when confronted with actual evidence, chose to ignore it and kept up the usual denialist bleating.

Imagine a real scientist undertaking an intensive decade long investigation (including at least 10 trips to auschwitz) with a starting hypothesis that the gassing never happened who in the course of the investigation realized that indeed it really did happen.

 

Probably all Jews or if not Jews were holding a gun to their heads while they compiled, researched and meticulously checked all their sources listed in each and every peer reviewed reference book on the list.

Poe's law liberally in use in this post BTW.

 

That's why they love unsourced youtube! They also provide out of context quotes but only link to the denialist mother anus because if they link to a source that contains the entire quote the game is up.

 

The probability of that is mighty slim.

 

Got that right!

 

I am an Aussie. I admit I have not read this Thread entirely. I have a view that it is absurd to punish a person for events which occurred decades before they are brought to Justice. I am not the same bloke I was 40 years ago. Same name, same body.....entirely different person. A vendetta carried on now against blokes of decades past is some sort of bizarre, hairy chest beating, pseudo heroic and bloody self righteousness not worth a tiny piece of goat **** on a windy hill. But.......if more contemporary events require attention, like delivering justice on a timely basis, actually arise, you can certainly count on the State of Israel to hand their own over to be dealt with according to the Laws of the land they allegedly infringed.

Please read:

Link.

 

You made sevral assumptions here that are simply wrong

Germany does not arrest Nazis for the sake of Israel - so its not a vendetta, try to think why would German citizens care for old Nazis among them and maybe you'll figure that out

Germany does not hand over Nazis to Israel so what does you example stand for ?

If Israel did not extradict the (insane) pervert but judged it in Israel - Germany shouldnt arrest Nazis or other war criminals ?

Let's get it strait, you are not doing Israel favors by arresting your criminals even if all they did is murder Jews, it's your society decision to arrest them or live with them, why would I care if you surround yourself with terrorists and Nazis ???

 

Many are written solely for the purpose of keeping the lies alive.

Eyewitnesses to what and physical evidence of what? Be specific here. This is VERY IMPORTANT.

What about the eyewitnesses who get plastered all over MSM and then admit they lied? Ever notice how MSM never covers that part?

So? The Germans spent a huge amount of money specifically for delousing or more simply... FOR KEEPING JEWS ALIVE!

This helps your case how?

And you know this how? C'mon, man, you have no idea if they were made from Jews. Laughable as that statement is, it is no surprise that certain folks who come on here demanding evidence and attack everything not part of the official story have no problem with that statement, no?

 

Any evidence you provide is nowhere near as credible as what I have.
http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-...tion-and-human-rights/nazi-euthanasia-program
https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/553409/vansuchBryan.pdf?sequence=1 It really doesn't get much more thorough than this.

 

No - to the contrary.

Let them push their codswallop up to the breaking point.

 

I can say this much - that 6 million number is very suspicious, as it is the same number that appeared in numerous alarmist articles about Jewish condition in Europe before WWII.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...IBAJ&pg=6811,131810&dq=jews+six-million&hl=en
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&pg=4697,44884&dq=jews+six-million&hl=en
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B0CE5DB1539E13ABC4052 DFB6678383609EDE
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9900E3DB1731EF33A25753 C2A9619C946095D6CF

[video=youtube;Dda-0Q_XUhk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk[/video]

(the above video may be banned in the country where you live)

I am not buying that, but if you do, you have my sympathies.

 

Here's a Holocaust survivor who tells her deeply moving story...

[video=youtube;C_GrwAyIS2Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GrwAyIS2Q[/video]