Trump ad asks people to support the troops. But it uses a picture of Russian jets.

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, you're just going to completely ignore you OP being called out as fake, nonsense ridiculous original post, and deflect to "orange man bad"?

    You don't care its fake. You have an agenda here, so just keep pounding away.

    What a waste of space.
     
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member

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    Like you said, it's just a silly ad, who cares if it is fake or not.

    As for fake, you don't seem to mind that the president is fake. Any president who demagogues to a level that is historic, evidenced by his calling the free press 'the enemy of the people' is a fake president, and by that declaration, it is he who is the enemy of the people, it is he who is fake, because the only thing standing between tyranny and freedom is not your damn gun, it's a vital, free, and vigorous free press, and whether or not they get the story right, or you agree or not with the free press, that's irrelevant, because there is no greater friend to freedom than the free press.and I don't see anyone on the right coming to the free press's defense, ONLY Fox news and such.

    He ran for office as a publicity stunt, he didn't actually ever wanted to be president, and there's testimony to that point, and it makes a lot of sense.

    So, calling this president a fake president, just someone who pretends to be one on TV, given his history, is not a stretch of the imagination.

    As for 'agenda'. Normally, you'd have a point, but when there's a fire in your living room, the only agenda is to put out the fire.

    If you want to call getting rid of Trump by any legal justifiable means, as an 'agenda', that is a small price to pay for a noble effort.

    And any effort to give Trump the boot is a noble effort, given that he is a threat to the national security of the United States, not to mention a direct threat to the health and lives of it's citizens.

    I plead guilty, and I don't give a damn, to be frank.

    You have a counter argument, offer it. And I will read it, and respond, if it has merit.
     
  3. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    The best people aren't available for hire by a president. The best people won't work for federal government.
     
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    I take the picture as our men/forces facing the advancing enemy.. Then again agenda doesn't influence my interpretation either..
     
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  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth to attempt to deflect.

    That's your opinion. Not a fact. Opinions are like *******s. Everybody has one and they all stink. So stop presenting your opinions like they are facts. They aren't.

    Holy connecting dots with opinion piece platitudes, presented as facts. Look, you are enlightened. I know you think every highly of your opinions, but hat doesn't make them any more valid than anybody elses. Essentially, get over yourself.

    No, he ran because a huge number of Americans feel disenfranchised by government. You know who consistently has lower approval ratings than Trump? Congress. Because they are awful shitty people, that could't make it in the real world, so they ran for government and have sat there for 40 years doing absolutely nothing. It was the C and D students, that talk a big game, and deliver nothing.

    Trump ran on the premise that these idiots are destroying the country, and they were. And clearly, millions of people agree with him. The doers of the country are tired of the slackers from running the country, buying votes with social programs, and ******** all over the people that actually contribute to the greater good. Now, all those losers have come out of their parents basement to loot and protest.

    It's also why he is vehemently opposed. These do nothing pieces of **** don't like conservative values, because it means they are actually held accountable for their actions and the gravy train is stopped. Is that why you hate him too Patricio?

    Again, presenting opinions as if they are facts.

    A fire? This country was going absolutely fantastic until the left weaponized a pandemic for political gain. In fact, it was three years of growing economy, low unemployment, peace time. The left HATED it, because it was exactly what they didn't need to oppose Trump.

    Noble? Wow, you really think highly of your opinions.

    Well at least you admit that your just a partisan that is incapable of understanding simple things like facts and statistics.

    "If it has merit" lol. Don't bother. Grab your bowl of cereal and return to your mom's basement. I don't give a **** what you say or think.
     
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    yep, still waiting for Trump's bigger, better Iran deal he promised us, that and the China deal and North Korea deal

    seems Trump doesn't know the art of the deal...
     
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    There is no deal with Iran. That right there is "bigger & better".
     
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    Those aren't our men though unfortunately....Those are Russian manufactured aircraft and Russian manufactured weapons being carried by the troops in the photo. Now if we want to get super technical yes it is theoretically possible for US forces to be carrying Russian hardware on the battlefield. Our SOCOM guys do that sometimes and the silhouettes COULD in a huge stretch of theory be trying to depict that.

    However, seeing how the aircraft in background are 100% Russian MiG-29's it's reasonable to conclude that the dudes in the foreground are being depicted as one of the multiple foreign nations Soldiers who roll around with Russian hardware as standard issue equipment. Or probably just Russia.

    The reality is that whoever made this simply messed up, they likely googled a "cool military picture" and found one that looked nice and made a campaign ad. The majority of civilians know very little about military hardware and most folks can't tell the difference between a Russian MiG-29 and an American F-15 or any other type of military equipment because they have no real reason to research stuff like that.

    But take it from somebody who knows just a little bit about this sort of thing....That ain't "us" in that picture....

    Doesn't change anything anyway, unlike those trying to portray this as some sort of cryptic "hahaha SEE! Trump is a Russian puppet he thinks our troops are Russians hahaha!!" type ordeal the reality is that a civilian person who knows nothing about military hardware (like almost all of them) found a cool looking picture and made an ad. They didn't really notice that the cool looking picture wasn't actually US forces because before this "story" was published I guarantee you 99% of the civilians reading the article wouldn't have known that either until it was "exposed".
     
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    Well better yet, ALL were the enemy, thanks for that Sir!
     
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    The irony is those are F-14 Tomcats.

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    F-16's on the left F-14's on the right. They must be too young to remember them. Note: 3 on the wings and 1 under belly.
     
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    Putin approved that message
     
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    The Iran deal was Soleimani getting vaporized.
     
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    There is not a single F-14 Tomcat in the OP picture and not a single F-14 Tomcat in this picture either....

    The aircraft depicted on the right are F-15s, not F-14s....
     
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    Fake outrage.

    The troops overwhelmingly support Trump.
     
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    You're right the wings are too stubby.
     
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    I, for one, care. It is hardly noble or just to ignore flagrant "below the belt" hits to justify getting a certain result. How is that any different than pro-Trump people twisting and lying about Biden? It's not. Just because this information is against the candidate you are against doesn't make it right or acceptable.

    And, you attitude of not giving a damn is exactly what is wrong with dirty politics.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I was just about to support the troops then I found out they used the wrong jets in the pic, so now there is no way in hell, just like I was just about to vote for Hillary and I saw a funny meme about her on facebook from a Russian so I immediately changed my vote to Trump as did millions and millions and millions of other people as well. whew! and to think what a mistake it would have been to back the troops.
     
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    These peace deals between Arab nations and Israel are the 4D chess moves that will put pressure on Hamas and Iran to makes deals. Trump has done in 3 years what other presidents couldn't do in 50 years. Biden has accomplished nothing in 47 years.

    It must be hard to hate on a president when he is accomplishing so much good in the world.
     
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    we will see
     
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    It's what happens when you hire Russians to run your campaign....
     
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    Seriously, at this point we want the next president to be milque toast. Calm, middle of the road and not stir up a lot of noise. Give America a chance to heal from these last 4 years and get back on track to forming a more perfect union. So be it if it's Biden but another four years of this buffoon and all the money in the US won't matter in it's place as a leader on the world stage as it slips into obscurity. Sure. it will reemerge but only after it suffers humiliation.
     
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    So what troop pictured has an AK 47?
     
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    Right of center
     
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    Appears to be an AR 15 to me. [​IMG]
     
  25. Phyxius

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    LMMFAO

    You are WRONG. Here it is, straight from the guy who actually made the image:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-ad-troops-russian-jets/

    Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, told Politico that the planes in this image were Russian MiG-29s. Politico also got in contact with Arthur Zakirov, the creator of the image, who confirmed that the image featured 3D models of the MiG-29. Zakirov went on to say that this image was a composite of several different elements. The mountains in the background, for instance, come from Greece, and the soldiers in the foreground are taken from various armies.

    Zakirov blamed the Trump campaign’s error on “bad fact-checking” and “inattention” to detail:

    “This is a completely recreated scene from various photographs of mine … Everything happened through inattention.”

    While the Trump campaign did use Russian planes in an advertisement encouraging United States citizens to “support our troops,” it should be noted that this image is purposefully generic. It is available via Shutterstock along with the description, “military silhouettes of soldiers and airforce against the backdrop of sunset sky.”

    A lightened version of these soldier silhouettes also carried a rather nondescript description: “five soldiers of different armies.” Another version of the image shows these planes flying in front of a Syrian flag
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    Image in question:

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    F/A-18 Super Hornet front view:

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    Mig-29 front view:

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    F/A-18 and Mig-29 side by side in flight:

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    And static:

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    Note the placement and angles of the vertical tail elements.

    Bottom view of F/A-18:

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    Bottom view of Mig-29:

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    Note the difference in how the engines are placed. Refer back to the original Trump campaign pic. Humpty Trumpty's staff (only the best people!) used an image of Russian hardware for their USA! USA! Team 'Murica - **** Yeah! bit of propaganda. Deal with it.

    You were saying? Count with me... :roflol:

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    This is fun! :applause:

    BTW - here's the original photo this was taken from:

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    Epic, hilarious fail.

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