Trump already in violation of Constitution.

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  1. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Special case loophole" is not a thing. It is a jumble of words you meant to ascribe your personal judgment of the ethical merit of following the law. Yes I understood what you meant. "Special" meaning that Trump's corporate entanglements are complicated. "Case" indicating that Trump personally gets some sort of benefit not available to anyone else in his position? I think not. There is nothing he does that, for instance, Warren Buffet does not do. We agree that these loopholes need to be addressed. The president has said that he is going to, understanding better than anyone how to.

    While we are at it, do you want to address the gargantuan amounts of tax revenue generated by his businesses, the people they employ, etc? You are trying to make an issue of him following the law, presuming that if YOU were a billionaire, you wouldn't follow suit and do what EVERY billionaire businessman does. Bully. If I had a Unicorn I would brush it every single day.

    This president has donated his salary (400k per year). He has decided to dump all profit from his foreign investments into the US Treasury. He doesn't have any obligation to do these things... but ffs you hate him, and you will not rest until you find some cause you find legitimate to tear him down. No... I think you were right. We have nothing to discuss.
     
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    Case closed then. A couple of modest selfless public servants worth some measly $250 million, selling their influence and soul retail at a bargain price of $300,000/hr in speaking fees and having a foundation which serves as a money laundering front.

    Lest we forget that the money is donated by theocracies, dictators, tyrants who as we all know have keen interest in helping the less fortunate through charities setup by extremely influential American political dynasties.

    Still no interest in the Brooklyn Bridge?
     
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    If you understood what I meant you should not have tried to equate "loophole" with claiming a child! Let me help you out: loophole
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    3. a means of escape or evasion; a means or opportunity of evading a rule, law, etc.: There are a number of loopholes in the tax laws whereby corporations can save money.


    You may or may not be right about what "every billionaire businessman" does. The distinction is that they are not the POTUS. I'm not sure what's more disgusting, that so many of you would give him a pass for taking advantage of ambiguities in tax law or that so many of you would applaud him if it did turn out he paid less tax than the "common man" he's supposed to be helping.
     
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    He also is in violation of the Repub's mandate that the President visit US disaster areas and view storm damage IMMEDIATELY (even before the wind dies down) after the event.....why hasn't he?
     
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    Your post exposes why he doesn't want to release them. You admit he used LEGAL means to pay less tax, yet still want to bash him for it.

    If you broke the law, the IRS would have nailed him. Since they didn't, he followed the law. You are just searching for anything to bash him with.

    You are transparent, unlike the Obama regime.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exemptions are loopholes. I think it is frankly a poor idea to reward procreation. Overpopulation is a real thing.

    You are not asking to see the President's taxes. You are asking to see the taxes of a private citizen billionaire businessman who was not POTUS.

    The common man was being benefited by his contribution to the GDP, creating jobs to fill etc. Now he his helping the common man from a position of real power to do so on a grand scale. He is already kicking ass at it, and it is only his second full day in the office. You want to talk about disgusting? It is disgusting that you presume the moral high ground to condemn his legal actions and dismiss the actual positive effects of his actions on the common man. The common man is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing prop to you. When you break it all down, have Trumps businesses benefited the common man because he may or may not have deferred payment of millions of dollars to a bloated and corrupt government to be redistributed to pork barrel projects, or by putting food on the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing table? (*)(*)(*)(*) your piety.
     
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    Umm, no. You are the one who made the assertion that they are worth $250 million. You are the one who asserted it cam from selling their influence.

    Show us the facts. Show us the quid pro quo. Dates, details, amounts, specifics. Otherwise your assertions can be dismissed.
     
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    Thanks, I'll take this to mean you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

    What the hell do I care?
     
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    Lol, when public servants inexplicably accumulate a quarter million fortune, when wall street gives them legalized bribes in front of our eyes, when a powerful political dynasty runs an organization collecting tens of millions from dictatorships, theocracies, lobbyists, special interests who all suddenly develop keen interest in philanthropy and irresistible urge to help the less fortunate through that specific charity....

    Please, your denial is not fooling a single person, even 5 year old can put 2 and 2 together in this case.
     
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    And that pretty much sums up Trump supporters. The analytical skill of 5-year-olds.

    I require something more - verifiable facts and a cogent analysis.
     
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    Hillary Clinton did indeed channel money into her Clinton foundation during SOS. Did you say anything about that as she campaigned for POTUS? I have a feeling that's a rhetorical question.
     
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    I gave you facts. Public servants worth inexplicable $250 mln is a fact, wall street $300,000/hr speaking fees are a fact, Arab dictators, african tyrants and global business donating tens of millions of dollars to a front organization set up by the most powerful in the world political dynasty is a fact.

    The irony of libs/progs suddenly rejecting the idea that politicians are corrupt, dishonest, unscrupulous and more than happy to peddle their influence to the highest bidder is i am sure lost on you.
     
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    I DO have the moral high ground, I pay my taxes. If it were to be found that a billionaire payed less in taxes than I did it would indeed be a problem. The fact that you're too stubborn to concede that simple truth says all I need to know about you.
    Oh, You can save your feigned outrage. No one cares.
     
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    Oh no, not facts . Is there even one honest Democrat out there ?
     
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    If your accountant does not use every single loophole, tax break, exemption, write-off or deduction available to you, fire him/her on the spot.


    Warren Buffet admitted a decade ago that he and his class pays less taxes than his secretary. It's hardly news. The problem of course is the Tax code, not billionaires. Yes, the same tax code that Trump wants to rewrite from scratch and the libs/progs and 1 percenters staunchly defend.
     
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    OMG, are you still whining
     
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    More like haunt you for the next 4 years, President Trump has moved on so have most reasonable people. While you're picking the scab hoping it bleeds President Trump continues to erase obamanation. How does pen and phone sound now? Just think if you're a healthy 27 year old you don't have to pay a fine for not having barrycare, celebrate.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't care, so you project that I don't.

    Trump has done more for the economy than his, or your, taxes would ever do. It isn't a problem, nor a truth, and I have nothing to concede. You are spiteful. Nobody cares. Do you care about Buffets taxes? No. You seethe. That's all. Boo hoo. Trump is the only president who is going to fix the tax loopholes you bemoan. He thinks they are unfair too. You're welcome.

    By the way, when he does that, through simplification of the tax code... will you give him credit? No. No you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wont. You will (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about some other presumed injustice. Justice is not your goal... it's all just spite. And that tells me all I need to know about you.
     
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    I'm not going to respond to that other garbage but this jewel is amazing! You're going to give him credit for passing legislation that would force himself to pay more taxes when NOTHING in his prior actions have indicated he cares about anyone but himself? Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? But to answer your question, should he actually do that (lol) I would indeed give him credit. Just as I would if he follows through on minimizing regulations. Then we just need to pray that the legislative branch can block any stupid protectionists sh!t trump wants to put in place. I have a bad feeling we are all going to be MUCH worse in 4 years than we are today.
     
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    I don't care any more about your feelings now than I did when they did not see Trump having a chance to win.

    Bookmarked for future reference, and we will test your intellectual honesty.
     
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    Or your niavete.
     
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    I will take that bet.
     
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    Oh so you believe career politicians like hillary would have fixed the situation?
     
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    That was the point, none of the arguments have any merit. Is there one you think does?

    The arguments are so bad in fact, that the motive becomes even more clear.
     
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    Never said that. Trump may well be the lesser of 2 evils. I'm just pointing out the hilarity of a man like trump passing legislation that would affect himself negatively.
     

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