Trump calls on black NASCAR driver to apologize over noose protest

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  1. dairyair

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    Supporters of tRUMP are always playing the victim card. The world is sooooo bigly and hugely mean to the supporters of tRUMP. They should try a different card. No one believe them.
     
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    Dodge noted. He is going to appear on Lawrence Jones FOX Nation show this weekend where he calls those who have pointed out it was not a racial attack on him "simple-minded people". Yea Bubba keep it up and watch your fan base disappear. Again he should man up and say it was not racial it was not about him and everyone should drop it and move on instead of continuing to try and play the victim of something that didn't happen.


    "They'll always kind of carry that chip on their shoulder and do everything to knock you off your pedestal. So their job is to always deliver hate — immediately deliver hate before the facts are even given."

    In fact, Wallace said he has learned to generally disregard the opinions of so-called "simple-minded" fans.

    "You don't give yourself enough time to understand, to educate yourself," said Wallace, describing the mindset of some of his detractors. "You quickly just jump to a conclusion."

    "People say the same about me, but I'm just doing what I was delivered facts on," he continued, referencing the FBI investigation.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/nascar-bubba-wallace-lawrence-jones-fox-nation.amp

    THEY jumped to conclusions??? That's what you and NASCAR did, own up to it and apologize.
     
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    And you are the Aggrieved Black man who finds racism in EVERYTHING even when clearly there is none. Again how did these racist you claim pull off this racist act which you claim they did?
     
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    Then why is he out there playing the vicitm? You DO know where he gained his fame and is, or at least was, the favorite son. In my SOUTHERN home town. He was the racer I pulled for every race because he is a hometown boy, now watch you claim me to be racist because I used the word "boy". Not anymore. With all his success and support YES by whites he turns around and tries to turn NASCAR into some racial issue when he should have waited for the investigation to show that CLEARLY it was not a racist event and tell everyone to drop it and move on. Instead this weekend he will be shown calling those who do believe we should move "simple minded". Well his "simple minded" fans will be dropping him like hot rocks.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/nascar-bubba-wallace-lawrence-jones-fox-nation.amp
     
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    You have been given the FACTS. The door pull loop has been there almost a year, the garages are assigned by POINTS STANDINGS. So YOU tell me how these alleged racist pull off a racist attack on Wallace.
     
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    And all they had to do was check with the track as to what teams had been using that garage over the past year and give them a call and ask was that loop in the rope there when you used that garage, they would have been told yes and the matter could have been dropped right there.
     
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    At least back that far. So how did that person know Wallace would occupy that garage 9 months later?
     
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    So when you watch the movie Hang 'Em High you are offended when you see nooses? Ever watched In Cold Blood and at the end they show nooses, are you offended? You think blacks were the only people lynched? Are these kind of cinch knots now BANNED because blacks claim offense?

    He and NASCAR should have done a simple inquiry on their own which quickly would have informed them there was nothing racist here and ended it there instead of that ugly display they put on. He was NOT a victim of anything.
     
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    Why are you being a victim?
     
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    Why is Wallace attacking people who are right in this matter, it was not racial or aimed at him at all?
     
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    Why are you attacking him? He did nothing.
     
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    He's from the SOUTH! Bubba, he's from the SOUTH!
     
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    Because before waiting for the evidence he engaged in insinuating there were racist there who attacked him and even when it was clearly shown that was not the case continued to play the victim and attack the people who were correct and remain correct.

    So again I ask why is he attacking them?
     
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    He did?
    Proof? I don't believe you.
     
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    He is black, that's it.
     
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    What's that supposed to mean? You DO know Bubba is from the SOUTH and he had a great following here in the SOUTH.

    Wallace should come out and say he is sorry the whole matter got blown up into something it wasn't, that there were any insinuations of a racist attack by someone at the track or with NASCAR, that he kept trying to keep the narrative going and everyone should drop it and move on. But as you will see this weekend if you have FOX Nation and as I cited above.
     
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    "simple minded"
     
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    Another claim you are unable to support. A trend has emerged. And consistent.
     
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    I linked to it to you why are you denying it. A trend continues and consistent.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lace-of-the-kkk.574972/page-5#post-1071849254
    "SOUTH" was an inside joke; the SOUTH did it, not Democrats.

    I agree it is blown out of proportion, but even though I have no intention of voting Democrat and will vote for Trump on issues, he should have stayed out of it. Considering he and all of us are already assumed racists, with bias against us, regardless of what we ever did, getting involved only feeds the bias.

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that believe a noose is just a knot, and the Confederate Battle Flag is just about Southern Pride and looks really cool]." (Obama)
     
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    There is nothing for me to deny.
    All you've given is your personal conspiracy theory. You are certainly welcome to provide the proof I've asked for. But you and I both know, there is no proof. You just make up untruths. Is it intentional?
     
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    Ask Dylan Roof what the traitor flag stands for.
    The south is full of Dylan Roof's. They just don't act on it with killing.
    But discrimination is rampant.
     
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    Sure I think Trump injects himself into far too many matters but that is Trump, I certainly didn't expect him to sorta like previous Presidents although Obama did the same thing recall the so-called "beer summit". I NEVER assumed it was racist, none of my friends assumed it was racist. We all questioned it from the getgo, we know how well liked Wallace was throughout his career down here in the Heart of Dixie and that it seemed so out of place here and that it was just a loop in a door pull. How would anyone know he would be assigned that garage anyway.

    Everyone, the track, NASCAR, Wallace's team should have waited and made a couple of simply phone calls to teams which had previously used that particular garage and when told "OH yea that was there when we used it" and it never would have been an issue at all.
     
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    So Nothing for Wallace to apologize for.

    Why the heck were you asking for him to do so?

    You just proved you don't think Wallace did anything but be the one who had the fake noose on his door.
     
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    Why do you and members of the media keep falsely referring to Confederates as traitors. President Grant restored full citizenship and pardons for any accusation as traitors as did President Johnson to members of the Confederate armies.

    "Confederate statue critics increasingly argue that the monuments should be torn down because they honor traitors. Among such advocates is Christy Coleman, CEO of the Richmond’s American Civil War Museum. While the most common response to her interpretation is to argue that secession was possibly legal, but a more compelling point is that President Andrew Johnson pardoned the soldiers no later than 1868. Moreover, four years later President Ulysses Grant signed a bill that conferred amnesty pertinent to 14th Amendment restrictions on all but about five hundred ex-Confederates thereby enabling them to be elected to Congress and other offices. Given the reconciling attitude of early post-war Northerners, the intolerance of today’s statue enemies seems deliberately invidious.

    On Christmas 1868 President Andrew Johnson granted all former Confederates a “full pardon and amnesty for the offense of treason against the United States” after having granted the pardon to most of them at various times between May 1865 and Christmas 1868. Significantly, the Supreme Court’s 1866 Ex-Parte Garland ruling concluded that a “full” pardon granted a legal status of innocence to the offender."

    As regards the secondary argument that Southern secession may have been legal, even some of the historians most hostile to Confederate heritage admit the possibility. Allen Guelzo, for example, recently conceded in his analysis of a hypothetical treason case against Robert E. Lee that the constitutional question of whether a citizen’s primary relationship was to his state, or the Union of states, was unclear:

    Nowhere in the Constitution, as it was written in 1787, is the concept of citizenship actually defined. In the five places where the Constitution refers to citizenship, it speaks of citizens of the states, and citizens of the United States. But the Constitution made no effort to sort out the relationship between the two, leaving the strange sense that Americans possessed a kind of dual citizenship, in their native State . . . and in the Union.

    Until the Civil War settled matters, there was a plausible vagueness in the Constitution about the loyalty owed by citizens of states and the Union, and so long as it could be argued that Lee was simply functioning within the latitude of that vagueness by following his Virginia citizenship, it would be extraordinarily difficult to persuade a civilian jury that he had knowingly committed treason.​

    https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/confederates-were-not-traitors/

    And of course this little gem

    "Democratic 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden once voted to restore the U.S. citizenship of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

    The former vice president, 76, was a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee that unanimously approved a bill in 1977. The measure was sent to the full Senate, where it was approved without dissent and later signed into law by President Jimmy Carter.

    A year earlier, Biden had been among senators who voted to restore citizenship to Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general."
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ship-to-confederate-president-jefferson-davis

    So why hasn't the left demand Biden drop out of the race since he supports "white supremacist racist traitors" according to them and you? And discrimination is not rampant in the South and probably more so in the north and mid-west as I witnessed when I lived in Chicago.
     
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