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Trump campaign officials, led by Rudy Giuliani, oversaw fake electors plot in 7 states

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's a nation wide story, I only sourced CNN because there is no paywall.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 21, 2022
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    He's being pursued by a few state's AGs on this.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 21, 2022
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  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Forging government documents, for starters, there are, no doubt, other crimes.
    No one is going to go after a governor or Secretary of state for extending ballot casting deadlines for a few days, or otherwise making it easier to vote during a pandemic, and you can hardly equate that with forging documents in an attempt to steal an election.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 21, 2022
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  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    And the judges.

    As in 'you are busted'.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 21, 2022
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  5. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Knowing this is it really that far fetched that people want to believe the Earth is flat.
     
    Polydectes, Jan 21, 2022
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    The one you presented.
     
    Polydectes, Jan 21, 2022
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  7. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    When they have displayed their biased beyond any shadow of a doubt to anyone who's paying a modicum of attention, any thinking person would be very very slow to just take anonymous sources as credible.


    You just claim anonymous sources and say whatever the hell you want.
     
    FatBack, Jan 21, 2022
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  8. HurricaneDitka

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    For WHAT? What is the "this" in your post above? What is Giuliani alleged to have done, aside from "participated in at least one phone call"?
     
    HurricaneDitka, Jan 22, 2022
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  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Forging government documents (Giuliani appears to be head of this one)

    Criminal disruption of state's elections/subversion.

    Criminal Fraud against the United States.

    Conspiracy to commit Sedition against the United States.

    Tax, Insurance, and Bank fraud for Trump company.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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  10. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You obviously do not understand how news stories and journalism works.

    Say you have someone on staff, who can't let his identity be know otherwise he or she would be fired, so the journalist doesn't reveal the person's name, but the journalists does know who the person is.

    What you are implying is that journalists are making **** up. That simply is not true. That would imply journalists never go out into the field and collect facts, testimony, that they just sit in an office and make **** up. That's absurd.

    The stories is carried by hundreds of newspapers, it's on the news wire, stories have to be confirmed by three sources. No editor is going to let a complete fabrication be published.

    do they ever get it wrong, sure But much of the time, the stories are good.

    Where 'bias' comes into play, is story selection. For example, WaPo is going to select stories of interest to a liberal following, but that doesn't mean the stories themselves are fabrications.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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    They've been caught in lies too damn many times to simply just trust them because you like what they're telling you.

    You obviously don't understand how journalistic bias works.


    It's CNN if Trump somehow magically cured world hunger they would report that he was responsible for an obesity epidemic worldwide.


    If he magically cured cancer CNN and the rest of the left wing media would report that Donald Trump puts millions of doctors out of work.

    Speaking of magically curing cancer remember Biden saying that if he was elected that he would cure cancer? Has the media been following the developments there?

    If Trump had said such an egregious lie they would have never let us forget it
     
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    FatBack, Jan 22, 2022
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    CNN has a 'mixed' rating on MBFC. There are better sources that score much higher.

    And what do you care? your sig is horseshit.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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    90 percent of your rambling, opinion filled, Trump hate posts are horseshit. Since you want to make each other's content the subject there is that...
     
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    FatBack, Jan 22, 2022
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  14. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ahh, true, my writing has a liberal point of view, but note that my comments are usually (or least I strive them to be ) of a much higher caliber than your posts.

    Your sig is proof of what bona fide, genuine horseshit is. End of argument.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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    Who said that? I believe Trump lost fairly and legitimately but I do understand his disquiet.
     
    Reasonablerob, Jan 22, 2022
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  16. FatBack

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    A legend in your own mind no doubt... You're really good at using a million words to say very little, some folks have other things to do with their time. Yes the argument has ended.
     
    FatBack, Jan 22, 2022
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    Lol your other thread not going the way you liked so you opened two about them? Bahahahah
     
    ShadowX, Jan 22, 2022
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  18. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    My point stands. Your sig is incontrovertible evidence of horseshit, which is to say, vacuous, childish, cheap shot, sophomoric rhetoric

    Your above is just a vacuous unsubstantiated opinion. My statement is fact.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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    Baloney. You left out alot.
     
    doombug, Jan 22, 2022
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  20. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, yeah, I left out...

    Criminal disruption of state's elections/subversion.

    Criminal Fraud against the United States.

    Conspiracy to commit Sedition against the United States.

    Tax, Insurance, and Bank fraud for Trump company.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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    Based off what? His participation in one phone call? Of which neither you nor I know what was said? You can't be this obtuse. Surely you have some previously-unknown evidence supporting this claim, right? That you're about to share with all of us?
     
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    Trump supporters are so vested with that criminal, they have little to nothing to stand on.
     
    mdrobster, Jan 22, 2022
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    mailing in fake Elector Certificates, is mail fraud and election fraud.

    Rudy and everyone else involved must be charged
     
    Ronstar, Jan 22, 2022
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    You are still leaving alot out and making up even more.
     
    doombug, Jan 22, 2022
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  25. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There's a nationwide news feed on this. That only happens when three sources are confirmed on a claim.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/590832-giuliani-led-fake-electors-plot-cnn
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jan 22, 2022
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