Trump ends decades-long White House tradition of celebrating Ramadan

How am I pushing Islam? I'm only correcting your misunderstanding of it that you promote to push your bias agenda.

 

I'm misunderstanding nothing thank you very much. I've done extensive research on Islam and I'm spot on. Between studying all about that so called religion, watching it play out all over the globe, having a far better than average IQ, and a good deal of common sense, I clearly see what they're planning for all humankind and it isn't pretty. I'm not in the least fooled by their taqiyya.

 

Oh so now it's all a big conspiracy that 1.6 billion people (28% of the Global population) are in on? Muslims must be some genius master-minds. God has really blessed them, perhaps there should be more of them. So far everything you have said about Islam has been incorrect, but maybe you got this conspiracy theory correct. If God wanted everyone to be Muslim then he would have just made them all believe, yet repeatedly in the Qur'an it states, "Whomever god guides none can lead astray and whom ever God leave astray none can guild." So obviously God doesn't want the World to be completely Islamic, otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to create Hell.

 

Especially if it angers radical Muslims. Got it. Nice to know we understand where you are all coming from correctly.

 

You're obviously a brainwashed Muslim so since this conversation will never go anywhere..let's just agree to disagree and move on. I'm not in the least bit confused about Islam and therefore my mind will never change.

 

Oh you've made it crystal clear that your intentions are to incite, enrage, and anger Muslims. But you know what, we Muslims for the most part really don't care. We have no interest in stooping to such childish levels. This thread is about canceling the White House Iftar Dinner that I didn't even understand why they ever held one. I don't think any US Muslims cared if they held those dinners or not because we never got an invite. It seems that the only people that are making a big deal of it are those that are Islamophobic. Did you forget which thread you were posting on? All I said is if you want to piss off radicals then be my guest, just don't cry about it later if someone reacts. This topic however hardly is going to anger any Muslim aside from your trolling efforts to make clear you don't like Muslims. But Muslims that know Islam say "la kum denu kum wa liya deen" (to you your way and to me mine). You are allowed to not like (or agree with Islam) just don't step on people toes and they won't step on yours.

The White House iftar dinner was a rumor that got started when Thomas Jefferson move a dinner from 3:30pm time-slot back to sunset to accommodate Muslim guests he invited to dinner which just happened to be on the last day of Ramadan. He was never intending to make it a tradition, he was just accommodating some guest to that they could attend. Islam was never mentioned at that dinner, no letter of proclamations was ever sent mentioning Iftar. Bill Clinton was the one who officially held the first Iftar dinner, followed by George W. Bush, and then Barack Obama. Bill did it to attract more Muslim voters who typically with the GOP because Democrats love to pander for minority votes at a time he wanted to make sure the War following 9/11 wasn't interpreted as a Democrat war on Islam. The US has a long history of its disgust for Islam, but the US also maintains a heavy reliance on OPEC. That reliance on OPEC has been declining over the past 30 years but it is still at 40% today. As long as the US still needs OPEC those Muslim nations don't care how much contempt the US Muslims have to endure. Ramadan gets about as much respect as Hanukkah in the US, we have no federal holidays like the Christians have Christmas. So where is the big takeover happening by the 1% US Muslim population? We don't own the media, the banks, the entertainment industry. What are you so afraid of?

 

I never agree to disagree, that the whole point in having a conversation to understand why two people have different opinions. If your tired of continuing the conversation you are welcome to abandon it.

 

We're not afraid. We are rejecting.

Thanks for the history though; interesting background info.

 

We knew that when you didn't take the Shahada. Point well received.

 

Someone has to remain free to point out the monster Mohammed really was.

 

This is a free country but you are on a thread were doing so would be off-topic.

 

Nice dodge.

 

Merwen..no point in giving this person the time of day to air his taqiyya (lies) to others especially liberals who have proven they are gullible as hell and will buy into any weird movement on the planet if presented in a certain way and with earnest. Muslims and liberals are very similar which is why they get along so well. Both are extremely impressionable and share the same gullibility which allows them to be a perfect candidate for brainwashing. There's almost zero chance of waking these people up. I mean if Muhammad was resurrected and he had glowing firey eyes and horns on his head, his followers would still follow him through the gates of hell without question. So might as well consider this debate a total loss.

 

When people have spent their childhoods memorizing religious texts or opinionated memes the result does seem to be the same--brainwashed, gullible people that really do not know how to think beyond one step logic, if that.

 

You're consider yourself Christian, or have I got that wrong?

 

It would depend completely on how you defined it. Arguments could also be made for Buddhism and agnosticism ... I know enough not to throw the baby out with the bath water.---Put differently, the brickwork of most societies is plastered together by common beliefs, consensus, or understandings. As long as you can be certain the fellow next to you is not going to pull out a knife, yell a foreign religious slogan, and try to cut your throat it doesn't matter if to him "Do not kill" is a commonly held, local religious belief or a firmly held cultural conviction; the beneficial effect is the same.

If the people around you are against murder on religious grounds, don't try to change their minds. If the commonly held beliefs of your society support and protect you, support and protect them. If people try to come in to your society that do not hold such positive beliefs, except for their own crowd, keep them out, as they will eventually exclude you from their calculus of fairness and compassion..

 

But that does not follow from your previous post where you wrote "childhoods memorizing religious texts or opinionated memes the result does seem to be the same--brainwashed, gullible people that really do not know how to think beyond one step logic, if that."

At school I had to recite the Lords prayer every morning and grace before every meal. Forced to memorize these religious texts. If you are going to say that you are Christian (though I notice that you did not answer that question) then you are just as much a "brainwashed, gullible person that really does not know how to think beyond one step logic," as I was then and the people you criticized

 

Yay, about time. Why would a Christian celebrate Ramadan?? I don't think they celebrate Christmas.

 

Many of us, if not most, were exposed to versions of commonly held beliefs as children. Some of us took (luckily) positive teachings to heart and were the better for it. Some took them with a grain of salt but decided not to reject them unless shown other ways were better. Some denied them altogether and led self-aggrandizing lives of dissolution, and some took them completely literally and used them as a weapon against others.

Islam is unique in that it allows the last listed to take control of the society at various times and wreak havok on everyone else.

 

Why is Islam worthy of your respect?

 

It's easy enough to just Google what they're saying. https://www.google.com/search?q=mus...ome..69i57.10170j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Many of the so called good Christians shout the loudest in favour of indiscriminately bombing others due to collective punishment. Bombing indiscriminately from afar and bombing indiscriminately from close up are of the same mindset

 

Good to see that you are 'no longer brainwashed'.

 

I don't know man, I grew up in a christian family, and spent from 3rd grade till 9th grade in a christian academy, where, just one of the indoctrinating activities was to memorize a bible verse one day and recite it in front of the class the next day and so on, for 6 years and I turned out to be one of the most cynical people I know. To be clear I am no christian by any stretch of the word.

I think maybe there is more "nature" than "nurture" in play regarding one's outlook.

Just sayin'.

 

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