Trump Impeachment Inquiry / Vote, Senate Conviction (or acquittal) polling - polling internals

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  1. hawgsalot

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    Defy the constitution good grief you have drank the kool aid....This has gotten beyond ridiculous and only the serious partisan hacks can't see we've gone from withholding money to now how a favor is perceived. This is a stain on our history and any president moving forward is in grave danger moving forward if the House isn't the same party. The revolt is coming and the dems will only be able to blame themselves
     
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    yea your side has promised that too, we're going to go to war, he'll send nuclear missiles because he's unstable, the economy will crash, eminent war with NK, our economy will be crushed because of tariffs, Mexico won't protect the border, on and on and on yet not a damn one of the lefty predictions have come true. I love the laugh though...
     
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    That's a real tenuous argument. What is Trump currently doing to improve his approval ratings? That is especially important in light of the fact that Obama's low approval rating was made up of voters who said that they would "probably" not vote for him whereas Trump is made up by a much larger percentage of voters who will "definitely" not vote for him.

    But here's an additional data point to consider:

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    And a close up of that graph:

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    I think it was "It's the economy #$%(*^"
     
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    Trump offers no loyalty to friends, personal or international. He abandons comrades in arms while on the battlefield. He is so enthralled with Putin, that he makes some way possible to allow Putin to win whenever America & Russia compete over an issue. Pelosi was right when she observed that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin." Being a supporter of Trump, automatically makes that person a supporter of Putin against America. Trump made a public statement saying he was completely comfortable with the Russians moving in & taking over the military bases he ordered abandoned in Syria. He also notified Putin of his impending raid against ISIS leader Bagdadhi BEFORE it happened, but chose not to inform Congressional leaders, including Pelosi, who has spent decades handling Top Secret info in the House, with never a problem. Trump's affinity for Putin is being expressed in his foreign policies to the detriment of the U.S. Supporting him includes supporting his pro-Putin tendencies. If you're comfortable with that, fine. I'm not.
     
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    You are referencing the same economy that trump has experienced during the entire three year period that he was the average lowest polling president in modern US history.
     
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    His polling rivals Obama's.
     
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    His personal behavior doesn't.
     
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    So? Most folks care about their own personal economies. My 401(k)'s looking darn good.
     
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    Trump has you hawg tied. Lol I can see that you have no grasp of how the government works or what the constitution says about Impeachment or that we have separation of powers in the U.S.. So I'll just let you continue on in your merry way in your own echo chamber.
     
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    Good for you. Most Americans aren't experiencing the benefits of Trumpian economics. But they're experiencing the constant turmoil & conflict Trump brings them. Meanwhile, your country is beginning to look to the world around us, like a self-serving, undependable, ethically bankrupt, global leader has been.
     
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    Can you say impeachment polls. Unlike his predecessors Trump now has nearly half the country wanting him impeached a statistic you failed to mention. th[3].jpg
     
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    No, it does not. As I mentioned, his polling has been and continues to average much, much lower than Obama's first year and the makeup of that polling is vastly different. The percentage of individuals who would "definitely not" vote for Obama leading into early 2012 was significantly lower than the percentage of voters who say that they will "definitely not" vote for Trump. In fact, there are numerous instances where the percentage of people who say that they will "definitely not" vote for Trump is over 50%.
     
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    The Evidence mounts against Trump. Remember Trump is the least trusted president in history while the witnesses against him are credible and trustworthy

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...trump-ukraine-call/ar-AAJy0Gu?ocid=spartanntp
    Extremely disturbing:' Top Dems alarmed over Vindman's testimony on Trump Ukraine call

    Adam Edelman 30 mins ago 10-29-19 NBC

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    According to his prepared remarks, Vindman, the National Security Council director for European affairs, will tell members of the committees investigating Trump that he was on the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, making him the first witness to the call to appear before congressional investigators in the Democrats' impeachment inquiry.

    Vindman considered Trump's request that Ukraine investigate his political rivals so damaging to American national security that he reported it to a superior, according to his opening statement obtained by NBC News.
     
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    The turmoil and conflict is all on the Democrats.
     
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    Donald Trump's Approval Rating Surpasses Obama's, Not Just on Rasmussen Reports

    From the left leaning Newsweek. You need a better source of information.
     
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    Trump loves conflict & has difficulty dealing with peaceful times. When there's no conflict, he invents some. No, it's NOT the Democrats. It's Trump.
     
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    Except Obama was fighting the greatest recession in history. Since the economy is supposedly booming Trumps approval rating is truly pitiful.
    and of course close to half the people would like to see him impeached.

    His disapproval is 54.1 approval 42.1.

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    Guess what? More bad news for Trump:

    https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with...admits-explosive-bribe-allegation-72212037631

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    Quid pro quo' bombshell: Trump ally admits explosive bribe allegation

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    Trump's "no quid pro quo" defense is undercut by new impeachment evidence. The Wall Street journal reporting Trump loyalist, Gordon Sondland, who denied quid pro quo, is now admitting it to Congress. It comes as Speaker Pelosi announces a key vote on impeachment rules -- with a plan to break Trump’s stonewall.
     
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    No Matter what propaganda Trump comes up about Vindman’s testimony Trump is the least trusted president in history and the public’s not buying it. More bad news for Trump and his clan.

    https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with...admits-explosive-bribe-allegation-72212037631
    MSNBC 10-29-19
    Quid pro quo' bombshell: Trump ally admits explosive bribe allegation

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    Trump's "no quid pro quo" defense is undercut by new impeachment evidence. The Wall Street journal reporting Trump loyalist, Gordon Sondland, who denied quid pro quo, is now admitting it to Congress. It comes as Speaker Pelosi announces a key vote on impeachment rules -- with a plan to break Trump’s stonewall.

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    And this was one of the most "pro-trump" witnesses so far.

    Oh, and he bows appears to have been caught in multiple perjuries.
     
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    Yup. We dare them to impeach Trump.

    Trump’s Vindication May Lead to Restoration of the Constitution.

    “The impeachment and removal effort, nakedly political as it is, is doomed to failure. This is because the president’s exercise of diplomatic relations is protected by the Constitution itself, and as even the great liberal criminal law scholar Alan Dershowitz has made clear, it cannot possibly amount to a high crime or misdemeanor. Moreover, the signs are now evident (from the fact that 50 Republican Senators have condemned the secretive and one-sided proceedings now underway in the House), that a Republican-controlled Senate will never vote by a two-third’s majority to remove Mr. Trump.” ​
     
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    Obama was dealing with the GOP's massive economic collapse during that period.

    Your BLOTUS is the BENEFICIARY of Obama's economic RECOVERY!

    So explain WHY your BLOTUS has the same LOW rankings when the economy was recovering from a serious implosion?
     
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    I've updated the data-table again to reflect the numbers (including a lot of internals) vis-a-vis impeachment from WAPO and FOX. Those polls were released within 24 hours of each other and in spite of the fact that they are from very different polling firms, the internals are for the most part very, very similar to each other.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tgjo7-IbGDouGo9NmAvCWeocQLJYvXoD/view?usp=sharing

    There is one contrarian poll from a pretty well known pollster out of Wisconsin. The pollster is Marquette, and their data shows that Wisconsonites aren't as hot on impeachment as other states. Wait and see.

    One important detail to notice is that when you look at impeachment internals, approval internals and presidential matchups, there is a strong correlation now among men: more and more white men are starting to consider impeachment and at the same time, you see Trump's approval/disapproval advantage among men shrinking. Also, there have now been multiple polls (at least 23 thus far) that show Biden and/or Sanders besting Trump in the male vote, something we have not seen in a long, long time.

    Also (in spite of the fact that I am not very hot on racial demographics), among whites, the margin AGAINST impeachment and FOR approval and perhaps FOR Trump in matchups is far leaner than McCain's, Romney's and Trump's winning margin among whites in the elections of 2008, 2012 and 2016.

    On the womens' front, we see a very, very stable story: in not one single impeachment poll has it even been close among women: between -15 and -30, women want to see him impeached (and possibly removed). In presidential approval, he is in a hole by among women by between -20 and -30 and in presidential election matchups by most all pollsters, also in a ton of statewide polling, the Ds are winning among women by circa +20 to +25. Even in an Emerson poll of Michigan, showing Biden +12 over Trump, Biden is close to +19 among women.

    And finally, there is statistical evidence literally everywhere that Suburbia across America has moved solidly against Trump: he loses Suburbia (an erstwhile GOP bastion) in Presidential matchups, suburbans strongly disapprove of him (and suburban women often even more than women overall), and suburbans are also supporting impeachment. Add to that the he still enjoys support in rural areas, but simply not the margins that Republicans have been enjoying for over 50 years.

    So, when you watch the ENTIRE stream of numbers from many various and sundry pollsters, you see a change in many internal categories and none of it is favorable to Trump. The only group that has stayed loyal to him are white Evangelical "Christians", but only among white Evangelicals, not Evangelicals as a whole.
     
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    Updates coming by the end of this calendar year.
     
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