Trump is terrified of the investigation into his relationship with Russia — and he should be

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ThorInc, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2015
    Messages:
    8,626
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh, but they had proof he violated the Bank Secrecy Act…. which are regulations designed to prevent money laundering. If you don't do the things that prevent money laundering, you're allowing it. He didn't just break that rule once. It was broken 106 times in the first year alone. That's why the fine was so large… and he paid it.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Apples and oranges. Speeding is a misdemeanor money laundering is not. He was fined in exactly the same way as a former company I worked for was fined for safety violations.
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Which is not the same as money laundering, and which he was only indirectly involved in but nice try.
     
  4. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They didn't actually do anything... You lose.
     
  5. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Deflection duly noted. Impossible to prove INTENT as far as Hillary was concerned.

    The Law of the Land violated by Flynn and Kushner does not have an intent requirement that needs to be satisfied since it is a conspiracy.
     
    Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  6. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, they don't.
    The regulatory agency has proof a regulation was not followed, you have no proof that Trump himself did not follow it or directed that it not be followed.
    It does not matter how many times you repeat this laughable non seq, it remains a non seq.
    That a regulation was not followed in no way means money was laundered.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
  7. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They CONSPIRED with the Russians which is a violation of the Law of the Land.
     
    scarlet witch, Bowerbird and ThorInc like this.
  8. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They did not violate it because they did not act did. As I pointed out earlier you can discuss any damn thing you want, but it is not even conspiracy if you do not act on it. By the way this is pretty much settled case law.
     
  9. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No they did not. They talked to the Russian about setting up a hot line to Putin there isn't one damn thing illegal about that.
     
  10. osbornterry

    osbornterry Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,276
    Likes Received:
    565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
  11. ThorInc

    ThorInc Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2017
    Messages:
    19,183
    Likes Received:
    11,126
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just an FYI, you are pigeon hole focused and you are picking details to defend. Mueller is looking at and beyond the full picture.
     
    Derideo_Te and Bowerbird like this.
  12. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,639
    Likes Received:
    74,084
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Why is an entire group of people characterised by single individuals who may not even BE part of that group?

    What am I saying? the man has an excess of Melanin that automatically makes him a "leftist"
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  13. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,108
    Likes Received:
    51,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
  14. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2014
    Messages:
    16,704
    Likes Received:
    12,220
    Trophy Points:
    113
    An investigation goes as deep as it needs to and leads to because the deeper it goes, the more information it uncovers and the more people stand to be implicated and will have to answer for their crimes and/or actions.

    It's already been stated that the investigation can take as much as two years to unravel the complex web of transactions, deals and relationships.
     
  15. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,642
    Likes Received:
    32,388
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Absolutely.

    Which is why it is ludicrous for people to expect "there, there" before the end of a thorough investigation.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  16. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just the opposite: Conspiracy to commit a crime is a crime. The crime need not occur for the conspiracy to be a crime.

    By your logic, they couldn't bust terrorists before the attack.
     
    scarlet witch and Derideo_Te like this.
  17. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,992
    Likes Received:
    18,961
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you think that if you write your nonsense in big loud letters it makes it less nonsensical?

    You're wrong!

    To see the evidence, all you need to do is get your nose out of wingnut media for 10 minutes and look around you. You'll find an interview with Lester Holt and multiple confessions of obstruction of justice by firing Comey, you'll find him carelessly giving secret information to the Russian government, the many ways in he has violated his oath of office (example: allowing Flynn to receive security briefings even after he knew he was on the payroll of a foreign government.... and I could go on and on. Evidence is not lacking at all. The only thing that we might find lacking in the future is patriotism among Republicans, if they are unwilling to bring this individual to justice despite such overwhelming evidence.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
  18. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2014
    Messages:
    16,704
    Likes Received:
    12,220
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They are so clueless. We should never wonder how these people were suckered into supporting a fraud.
     
    Derideo_Te and VietVet like this.
  19. Stevew

    Stevew Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2015
    Messages:
    6,501
    Likes Received:
    2,613
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your blatant blindness to Clinton breaking laws and getting away with it will only hand the democrats more election and power losses SINCE 2010. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is Einstein's definition of insanity.

    Steve
     
    PrincipleInvestment likes this.
  20. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There cannot be a conspiracy if there is no intent to commit a crime. You'd have to prove they intended to commit a crime, and for agents acting upon behalf of the president elect with or without his knowledge to seek secure access to a foreign head of state is not a crime unless you can prove that said line was to be used for the purpose of committing a crime and your assumption that such was the case is not evidence of anything beyond your desperate need for their to have been a crime. What you need is evidence of someone planning to use that line in the commission of a crime. If you do not have that you lack intent. Even with terrorist you have to have a statement of intent to commit the crime before you can have conspiracy. Just attempting to establish a secure line with the Kremlin does not constitute a piori evidence that a crime was going to be committed. Any 2nd year law student could tell you that.
     
  21. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yep you get two years for a bunch of political hacks to try to cobble something together out of quite literally nothing
     
    PrincipleInvestment likes this.
  22. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2014
    Messages:
    16,704
    Likes Received:
    12,220
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What are you so indignant about? Benghazi had no legs and yet there were over 13 investigations and hearings. This one already has proven to include Russia's interference so it will proceed as it is clearly warranted. So strange that Trump fans are so afraid of the outcome. Why is that? No confidence in the integrity of your leader? I certainly do not blame you.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
  23. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    With all due respect I am simply taking each one of your ludicrous accusation one at a time,and like any competent lawyer would do at this point in time, blow them out of the water. Based on everything I've seen here thus far, if Mueller is indeed an honest broker he's going to have a hell of a tough time finding a reason to keep this case open for more than another two or three months before he closes it and reports to the American people what most every rational person already knows. There is nothing criminal there.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
    Ddyad likes this.
  24. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    48,642
    Likes Received:
    32,388
    Trophy Points:
    113
    G...U...double L...I...

    B...L...E...

    Spells GULLIBLE. :salute:
     
  25. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,548
    Likes Received:
    37,920
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh golly, that's sounds might damning! You would think with that sort of conviction and confidence that there would already be something concrete to report other than fabricated and RETRACTED horses assbarf day in and day out :)
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
    Ddyad likes this.

Share This Page