Trump is terrified of the investigation into his relationship with Russia — and he should be

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    This is cute - knowing you cannot prove money laundering, you instead imply it.
    Desperate, you are.
     
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    That is a simple form of money laundering and it's definitely a crime. It's is also a form of "kickback". It gives the Russian oligarch a way to park the funds offshore away from the legal system in that country.
     
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    Jones is what serious Marxists called "opportunists" - "Marxists" who were intent on expanding and taking control of a vast bureaucracy as opposed to crushing it. Opportunists ran every CP after Lenin. Lenin became an opportunist when his "revolution" failed and workers rebelled.

    Nevertheless, Lenin admitted that the state and its minions were "parasites".

    "How self-government is to be organized and how we can manage without a bureaucracy has been shown to us by America and the first French Republic, and is being shown even today by Canada, Australia and the other English colonies." "The State and Revolution", VI Lenin, Penguin, 1992, Lenin, 66.

    Marx and Lenin did not think a revolution was justified in America until Wilson expanded the bureaucracy during WWI.

    Marx, Engels and Lenin failed to predict that the "opportunists" would inevitably end up in charge of any CP. In spite of their denials, they were immersed in Utopian fantasies about the strength and independence of the working class as a check on central state power. Their theory was wrong headed.

    With all its failures the US system of checks and balances to state power have endured and worked far better than anything Marx et al ever imagined.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, it looked like money laundering to you too! How about that?

    You can't seem to quit me, TOG 6, even after I wished you a good day.
     
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    You can't seem to stop making claims you know you cannot prove, and you refuse to admit it.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh NO! It can't possibly be money laundering or a kickback! Trump wouldn't ever do anything like that. He's the law and order President. He said so himself.
     
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    When you have proof of your claims, let us know.
     
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    Of course NOW you have saddled yourself with the burden of proof ;) So we know from CNN that the estate was purchased under a bankruptcy sale or auction or even sealed bid and not sold on the open market at then "Current" market prices!

    So, are you prepared to show appraisal documentation that this property was indeed only worth the bankruptcy selling price of $41 Million? Surely you must have an ace up your sleeve just waiting for the question to pop up ;)

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    Maison de L'Amitie is a massive beachfront estate in Palm Beach, Florida. The 81,738 square foot mansion sits on 6.2 acres -- with 475 feet of sandy beach facing the Atlantic Ocean.


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    Price: $3,650,000
    • Address: 1770 Jelinda Drive
    • Santa Barbara, CA 93108
    • Type: Homes
    • Bedrooms: 4
    • Bathrooms: 4.0
    • SQ.FT. / M2: 4,020 sq.ft.
    • Year Built: 1992
     
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    Well he never said that the law and order applied to him just his opponents. And sadly, his birther base seems to be quite happy to run with that. :)
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HA! You're right. I think he said something to the tune of... I can break any law I want and you can't charge me because of executive privilege. Watch me break the Emoluments Clause.

    I've noticed quite a few people willing to twist themselves into pretzels to defend the indefensible. I just watched Sarah Huckabee Sanders do just that.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look back at my posts and quote me where I said anything about the house being sold at bankruptcy price or not. I never mentioned it. No one was buying the house at $41MM until Trump did. No one was buying the house at Trump's listing price of $125MM either. After Rybolovlev bought the house, he couldn't sell it either, so he demolished it, subdivided it, and sold off one lot.

    What a house is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. Why they are willing to overpay is the question. Trump made $50MM on the deal, in 2008 in the midst of the financial crisis. It's beyond suspicious.
     
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    Yup! The cartoon does produce laughter. And the underlying implications of the cartoon produce crying.

    Why? Do you have anything against cartoons? It's amazing how good cartoonists can make the most profound statements with just a funny drawing.
     
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    Yes a picture paints a thousand words.............
     
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    It sure does...

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    so are they dead on now when they tell us that 60% of the American people think Russiagate is a waste of time.
     
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    Do you under stand that both ends carry jail terms if convicted.
     
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    It is a classic case of money laundering. Trump used the cash to pay down his construction loan on his casino in Chicago, which he was about to default on.

    The CEO of Deutche Bank at that time, is now the CEO of Alpha Bank in Cyprus. He knows both Rybolovlev (Putin's man) and Trump.
     
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    Oh, if only you had proof.
     
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    No, they don't.

    Financial institutions are required to comply with the regulations of the Bank Secrecy Act. Banks, stock brokers, insurance agencies, casinos, any organization that deals with large sums of cash, fall under that law. They are required to report every cash transaction of $10,000 or more. You can't jail a bank. You can't jail a casino. You hit them where it hurts more, the wallet, when they don't comply.

    People caught laundering money are charged with the Money Laundering Control Act (18 U.S.C. § 1956 or 18 U.S.C. § 1957) in criminal court. Those are the people that actually bring in the dirty money and go away with clean money, or attempt to.

    The Bank Secrecy Act was enacted in 1970. The Money Laundering Control Act was enacted in 1986.

    As I said, two different laws covering both sides of the transaction- the dirty money carrier, and the washing machine.
     
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    And that's exactly what happened with Trumps Casinos - non-compliance by a person or persons to the rules and regulations.
    Non-compliance does not prove that money was laundered, which is why no one went to jail and why you cannot prove all of your previously cited claims.
    But you know all that.
     
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    It certainly has every appearance of it. Who buys an overpriced house no one even made an offer on for the 4 previous years, and do it during the financial crisis? … and without setting foot in the house before, during or after the purchase. Houses were dirt cheap, but this guy pays $50Million more than the house was worth?
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You just can't quit me, can you?

    Non-compliance of the Bank Secrecy Act facilitates money laundering. Money cannot be laundered without a facilitator. Dirty money + washing machine= money laundering. Criminal enterprise + cooperating financial institution= money laundering. It takes both parts to launder money through a casino. The institution gets fined and the criminal goes to jail… but it takes BOTH to launder money. If the casino is compliant with the law, money cannot be laundered.

    Trump paid the first fine. Then the ownership group admitted wrongdoing, paid the second fine, and promptly bankrupted the casino. When they were only complying about half the time, you can pretend they didn't know what they were doing or what was happening. There's a reason that fine was $10million.

     
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    It was part of a bailout that served the purposes of both interests at the time. Decades and patterns of corruption.....
     
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    Very well may have been. Trump's dad bailed him out once, after getting him started with a little "loan." American banks stopped loaning him money after multiple bankruptcies. He won't release his taxes, and he won't put his business in a trust. It sure seems like he is hiding something.
     
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    So you have to come up with inane fabrications because you can't handle reality is not my problem.

    How many genuine conservatives have abandoned the GOP because of the extremist alt right and your feckless BLOTUS?

    That you are in denial is patently obvious.
     

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