Trump is under investigation for ties to Russia. What happens now?

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    well, Trump is a mystery to me, how a leader a democratic country and the free world, could EVEN think that he could make some kind of "deals" with kleptocracy which is in war war with USA? so What happens now?
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    Where do the inquiries go next?
    The next big calendar date for the public hearings is 28 March, when two Obama-era intelligence officials, the ex-director of national intelligence James Clapper and the ex-CIA director John Brennan, will appear before the House panel. Both were instrumental in the January assessment that the Russians had interfered in the US presidential election in an attempt to benefit Trump.

    Two days later will see the first public hearing for the Senate intelligence committee, which is also investigating Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election. Neither Comey nor the National Security Agency (NSA) director, Mike Rogers, is scheduled to testify, though Rogers’ predecessor, Keith Alexander, is. That hearing will focus on Russia’s interference in other elections.

    What about the FBI’s investigation?
    Comey pointedly did not reveal anything beyond confirming that the bureau has been conducting a counterintelligence investigation into Trump associates and Russia since “late July”.

    Counterintelligence investigations, designed to identify security breaches and root out spies or compromised officials, move slowly and do not easily get resolved. They do not often lead to criminal charges. It is unknown if this investigation will lead to a grand jury empanelment, let alone a criminal case, let alone a conviction. In a comment likely to be seen as ominous at the White House, Comey said the inquiry was “very complex and there is no way for me to give you a timetable as to when it will be done”.

    Ironically, Comey is himself under justice department inquiry for his own interjections in the election, which Hillary Clinton believes cost her the White House."https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/21/fbi-trump-russia-house-intelligence-committee
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bunch of garbage, but what can one expect from the MSM... and the Guardian is no different. If the criminal Obama/Clinton/Soros consortium with their paid media keep up the lies about President Trump the country is going to end up in a civil war. It's not a joking matter, the Americans want their country back, otherwise they wouldn't have voted for Trump in the first place.

    You can't have a bunch of fascist liberals threatening everyone and holding the country hostage. If they keep it up and something going to break...
     
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    Obama/Clinton/Soros, zhanna . whats about Nuland´s role, or she is off the game already?
     
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    We just have to wait.
    Right now, there is only circumstantial evidence, a lot of it, but no proof.
    What is significant is how (skank) Conway and Baghdad Bob Spicer are trying to distance Manafort - he was heading the campaign!!!! and Flynn - he was national security adviser - not distant, minor players as is now trying to be sold.
    The odor around this is getting stronger and stronger with each day...
     
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    Please stop - it's embarrassing when you jumble things so badly.
    "fascist liberals" do not exist. Fascists are extreme right-wing. Liberals are not fascists. You can call them socialist, if you'd like, but not all liberals are socialists, but much closer to reality than fascist.
    To help you - Dick Cheney is a fascist - I wouldn't accept him as a liberal.
     
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    zhanna builds up here an alternative universe , so just have a good time, as she does
     
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    is there a ukranian Nazi connection jean...?
     
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    Strange how they distract from the odor around Clinton who was given large sums of money after selling Russia all the Uranium. The whole thing is completely stupid... like Flynn speaking to a Russian student for a few minutes when Clinton was taking hundreds of thousands. But what else does the 'deep state' have other than stupidities and the MSM propaganda which no one believes anymore.

    Don't they know that the people who voted for Trump are not falling for it and the end result might not be what they expected... unless they believe the lying polls the way they did before the election. But then again, what can one expect from criminals who are spying on everyone in the world and putting the blame on others... as revealed by wikileaks and the honest sites.

    I would like Soros' snowflakes to know that there are heavily armed militias in this country, so what they are doing is no joking matter.
     
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    This is okay, the aim is not to ever reach any conclusion, to keep alive the notion in some minds Trump is part of this conspiracy.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah, the Ukrainian ones are 'supremicist' fascists, and the ones here are liberal fascists. Their philosophy might not be the same, but they're methods are. Anyone who is a conservative and voted for Trump is threatened.
     
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    The subject is Collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
    Try to keep up.
    Changing the subject is not an acceptable response.
    "BBBBBBbbbbbut - "insert lies about Clinton" then add insults"
     
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    Then what would you call those who verbally abuse and are violent against conservatives and Trump supporters? If people are fearful of expressing themselves because of the actions of people in another political party, then what can they be called other than fascists?

    We're living in fear in this country. Is this freedom? For example when I went to register in Florida, I wouldn't state my party affiliation for fear the Democrats might do something to cancel my vote. I wasn't the only one. I heard other Florida voters say they wouldn't dare open their mouths and say they were going to vote for Trump. This is why when Trump took Florida, everyone was surprised. Shouldn't that tell you something?
     
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    I had to swallow hard, since I voted for this clown, I wished Kasich or Rubio was president, I voted the party not the man...
     
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    we are at war with Russia? Do tell
     
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    Nuland is a member of the neo con Kagan clan, and they're part of the deep state swamp that has to be eliminated. I just signed a petition to that affect.
     
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    How would your vote be cancelled?
    You are paranoid.
    I did see violence at Trump rallies when people against Trump were roughed up by guards or Trumpers.
    Trump WANTS you to be afraid, and he tells you only he can save you. Typical of a scammer. Don't believe carnival barkers.
    Florida has as a governor the ex-head of an insurance company convicted of the biggest cheating of medicare in history, so I question the judgement of Floridians.
     
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    Since centralized planning and governmental control over the lives of individuals is characteristic of all forms of socialism, and the farther to the left you go this is more and more pronounced, it is clear that fascism is clearly leftist. Nearly all fascistic movements sprung from "social justice" concepts.

    European fascism is, after all, simply an offshoot of Marxism.

    The farther to the right you move, you head toward limited government, more individual freedom. So...no.
     
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    No, fascism is conservative. The fasces is a bundle of rods wrapped around an axe which was carried at the head of a procession or parade by the Romans representing the power of those following. The axe symbolized deciding power and the rods supporting powers that made the axe's handle stronger.

    The fascist connotes a military element, fascists are military rulers (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco...). Any ruler who favors military uniforms is typically a fascist dictator. Fascists are imbued with a messianic calling to protect and defend the nation from perceived threats which often are seen as due to moral decadence of foreign provenance. Fascists are always very patriotic and their expressions of policy involve traditionalism and nationalism with an urge to restore the nation's historical role. Fascists often find those who oppose them as influenced by foreign ideas usuited to the national character.

    Socialists do anticipate a "dictatorship of the proletariat" as a transitional phase after the revolution that follows the vaunted "general strike". The collectivization of the means of production involves centralized planning and socialist leaders seize powers to exert as absolute control over all activities as a fascist would. The only difference is in the martial element where fascist leaders will involve the military and often include lots of generals and other officers in political roles, while socialist leaders tend to populate their cabinets with strategically selected politicians at first and technocrats as they consolidate power.

    Stalin was a fascist, Lenin was not.
     
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    Fascists claim to represent 'the people' but are not typically elected or, more importantly, not subject to removal from public power. They will, however, work as a shadow government when not in power mainly by exploiting derision among the populace. If they can use isolated incidences to magnify their cause they will not be reluctant to do so and the media is either a willing or unwilling participant but, what really separates Fascism from intense Nationalism is the hatred and intolerance Fascists show when they lose power. Kinda like the radical Democrats that seem to comprise a large portion of that party today.
     
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    It's the biggest mess on earth.
    You have the Russian blackmail "golden shower" report from Christopher Steele ex MI6 agent.
    You have Manafort with strong Russian ties, Sessions and Flynn who had direct contact with the Russians
    You have Trump and his family's background and friendship with Russia, large investments from Russia in his business
    You have the hacking of both the Republican and Democratic servers (by allegedly the Russians) but only the Democrats emails are released by Wikileaks which adds to the accusation Russia was assisting Trump
    You have Trump repeated stating his "special friendship" and praise for Putin, his intentions to scrap sanctions.
    You have allegations of Russia using the Russian cyber underground to spread fake news and target specific US (in particular Democratic) servers.
    I probably left something out...

    They say where there's smoke there's a fire but what we have here is more like volcanic ash
     
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    It is clear - only to one who has no clue.
    Read some history. You are clearly wrong.
    Fascism and socialism/communism are mortal enemies - Fascism on the right, socialism on the left.
    Marxism is socialism/communism.
    Twist and turn all you want.
     
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    "the Ukrainian ones are 'supremicist' fascists, and the ones here are liberal fascists." this post made my day ))) LOL
     
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    you know FSB has followed Trump for years,they gave him a feeling that he is in charge , his problem that he has lived only in USA he knows 0 about the rest of the world
     
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    Nuland is a member of the neo con Kagan clan, and they're part of the deep state swam" zhanna you are ok? i am asking about your health , its way too much even for you
     
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    Lemme guess, Germany fought russia, so that makes them mortal enemies.
     

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