Trump: Radical Left Is Against 'Guns, God, and Oil'

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You need to learn how to argue rationally. With you, everything you disagree with is 'leftist propaganda'.
    Weasel words are not an argument. (WW are vague allegations which cannot be substantiated).
    Weasel words/posturing, is not an argument.
    THere are several factors in addition to the war in Ukraine that are driving prices. The effect on the market is not necessarily linear, fears of shortages create exaggerated price risings in their anticipation, the pandemic causes disruptions exacerbating the problem even more. the end of the pandemic causes pent up demand higher than normal, lots of things beyond the control of any president, given that these effects are pretty much world wide.

    And no, that is not 'leftist propaganda'.
    See above. Most of it happened right after the war in Ukraine, I know, I make a living putting gas in my tank, and am keenly aware of gas fluctuations, and it's history.
    Ad homs are not an argument
    There is a trend away from petroleum, that's one factor, yes.
    There is a trend away from petroleum, as an energy policy, and into non polluting or less polluting alternatives, true.
    Ad homs are not an argument.

    Sometimes to reach a brighter shore, sacrifices have to be made, and the one that includes a habitable earth is a worthwhile shore to sail to.

    But, I won't expect republican myopia to understand such a concept.

    Republicans would gladly sell the future of the earth to the oil and gas industry, so that they could have cheaper prices now, but die later in an uninhabitable earth. Now, if that kind of thinking is in err, I would rather err on the side of a maybe a habitable planet and expensive gas, than cheap gas and maybe a dead planet.
     
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  2. Condor060

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    More exaggerations from the 15% extreme left in the US.
    In mid-May 2020, gas prices sat at around $1.88 a gallon. By late January 2021, when Biden was sworn in, a gallon of gas had risen to about $2.39 a gallon, an increase of about 50 cents.
    From Biden’s inauguration his attack on fossil fuels began and the price of gas continued to rise: It reached $3.39 in early November, or an increase of about another dollar.

    By June of 2021 gas prices had reach $3.89 a gallon

    By the time Russia invaded in February of 2022 gas was $4.32

    So you want to run by me this timeline as to how the invasion of Ukraine is responsible for gas prices again?

    As Bidens war of fossil fuels increased investors pulled out decreasing our own production and making us reliant on foreign oil once again. Who in their right mind would invest in Oil when the government is railing against it?
    KNOWING this administration is going to do everything in their power to shut it down.

    So you can fake the reasons all you want. What you can't do is rebuild the actual timeline, which isn't consistent with anything you posted.


    Blah Blah Blah We have been hearing that story now for over 60 years with guarantees of the end of the world by (X).
    If you will exaggerate the gas price rise even in the face of actual historical numbers you will exaggerate anything.
    Again, only that 15% believes in that stuff any more.
     
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  3. LangleyMan

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    Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

    Oil prices were about what they were in 2018 until Putin invaded the Ukraine.

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    Energy Independent? Why not use Alberta oil when shale gets more expensive.
    Opening up more leases won't change the fundamentals right away. Be patient—the coming recession will cut oil prices.

    Assets are way overvalued. If central banks keep raising interest rates, they'll cut demand and the economy will roll over. Prices will moderate, housing will become less expensive and more people will be able to buy when interest rates drop.
     
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    In mid-May 2020, gas prices sat at around $1.88 a gallon. By late January 2021, when Biden was sworn in, a gallon of gas had risen to about $2.39 a gallon, an increase of about 50 cents.
    From Biden’s inauguration his attack on fossil fuels began and the price of gas continued to rise: It reached $3.39 in early November, or an increase of about another dollar.
    By June of 2021 gas prices had reach $3.89 a gallon
    By the time Russia invaded in February of 2022 gas was $4.32
    Try again
     
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  5. LangleyMan

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    Here are oil prices...

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    Oil prices were around where they were in 2018 until Putin invaded the Ukraine.

    You can stampede the public on gas prices, but it's just a con.
    Lots of smart money...

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    Do you think real investors figure you know what you're talking about?
     
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    You can put up all the graphs you want.
    Nothing changes the actual gas price timeline prior to the Ukraine invasion.
    But you should tell everyone how the price of gas went up because of it.

    They know what they are talking about which is why they are pulling out of oil investments.
    Don't tell me. This is the first time you heard that.
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    Can you read the graph...?

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    Try not to make a dumb comment.
     
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    You mean like you posting graphs about oil in a conversation about gasoline prices over the last 18 months?
    Doesn't need a comment.
    Your post speak for themselves lol
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    The market has gone down while Exxon shares have increased this year.

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    Making 34% on your investment this year was in an industry under government attack?

    Stop digging before you can no longer see the top of the hole.
     
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    And like in about every post you make, most things are so far over your head, I even hesitate to answer,
    Its like teaching a cow how to record a show on TV,

    I guess you are clueless about investors providing money for oil research and drilling new leases.
    The Department of the Interior withdrew drilling leases for more than 1 million acres in Alaska’s Cook Inlet and two areas in the Gulf of Mexico. It blamed a “lack of industry interest” in the Alaska site and “conflicting court rulings” on the Gulf sites.

    Biden halted federal lease sales the moment he took office. He also pushed for companies to address the cost of climate change and moved to dry up their access to capital. He’s also failed to issue a new five-year offshore-leasing plan.
    And he’s threatening tax penalties for companies with federal leases that aren’t pumping up more oil.

    It takes capital to drill for oil and leases have to be purchased. Investors for those ventures are drying up.

    But then again, you represent about 15% of the extreme left so most are used to the normal CNN regurgitations.
     
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    We should use whatever is most economic—oil shale and/or the Alberta oil sands.
     
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    Tell me how investing in Exxon this year was a bad idea.

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    Trump is a disgrace.
     
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    With you? :roll: :roll: :roll:
     
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    You can't bring yourself to admit you're wrong.
     
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    Biden is the real disgrace
     
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    I told you investment in the oil industry was not enough to for a number of years because of low oil prices. It didn't start with Biden.
     
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    He's not a criminal, Trump is.
     
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    Although we agree on many things politically, I have to say that Trump is simply pandering with his slogans and cliches and I would like to see politicians avoid this practice. He should not say he is for guns. A guns is an inanimate object. Rather he should say he supports the 2nd Amendment and is for the right of law abiding citizens to own guns. The God bit is cheap pandering as well. Whose God is he for? Many churches support far left policies and claim to be for God. Unless some God actually wants to weigh in directly and not via a self-appointed spokesperson. I would like to see no claims made regarding the supernatural in a political speech. I guess being in favor of oil is good, but the quoted comment seems a little like a cliche. I would rather see comments about Trump's basic elements for an energy policy. Perhaps I am naive, and a candidate simply has to appeal to the low information voter with slogans and cliches, like some company selling their products via jingles and slogans.

    Trump did some good things when in office. He also made some very poor choices for people he appointed, such as his AG. His wall rhetoric appears to have been a stunt. He talked about closing the border, but his dispatch of National Guard troops to the SW border during mid-terms were political theatre, as they were kept 100 miles from the border with unloaded rifles. Trump continues to do some good things calling attendion to liberal Republicans but IMHO he he too old to be President again. We need a younger person for President. I find it hard to trust someone who grew up in the NYC area. To me the big city types will never be the sort of American I could ever trust. Perhaps, this is an unfounded prejudice. But it is what is us. And we need a President who can bring the country together. Perhaps things are past the point where that can happen. But if it can happen, I do not believe Trump is the man for the job. Plus the left has invested so much time, energy, and money creating hysteria concerning Trump, I would rather make them start over attacking someone else.
     
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    they were rising before Biden took office. But, of course, blame Biden.

    The biggest culprit was world wide pent up demand following as the pandemic cooled. And the War in Ukraine exacerbated it.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/g...ly-demand-issues-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/

    ...gas prices began rising before Biden’s inauguration. When he took office, the average weekly price had already increased about 60 cents from a low of $1.77 a gallon in April 2020, under then-President Donald Trump.

    the primary reason prices increased toward the end of 2020 and then in 2021, is because the demand for oil around the world began to exceed the available international supply.

    “U.S. gasoline prices follow gyrations in world oil markets, which depend on global (not domestic) supply and demand,” Alan Reynolds, an economist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, wrote in a May 10 post.

    “What happened to world oil markets in 2020 was a global pandemic, with falling oil and gas prices followed by a sizable loss of oil and gas production capacity in the U.S. and elsewhere,” he said. “What happened in 2021 was mostly the phasing‐out of governmental lockdown schemes which allowed production, commerce, and transportation to bounce back faster than oil and gas production could.”


    Evidence is pointing in the direction I stated, Sorry.

    That 15% is just blinded by the pump, and you are blinded by their blindness.

    So, it's a classic case of the blind leading the blind.
     
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    They were? Hmmmm. First you said
    Now that you can't dispute the actual gas price rise time line, you changed your claim from (Russia did it) to they were rising before Biden took office?

    Got any more of those flip flops? If you could dispute the gas price time line, you would.
    But you can't because it destroys these extreme left claims of Russia Russia Russia so its on to more illusionary posting.

    Just like you couldn't dispute this

    When you can dispute those with facts instead of your theories, let me know
     
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    Then why were you disputing my post about it?
     
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    When you figure out you are arguing oil production instead of my post about gas prices, let me know.
     
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    When you can dispute these gas price historical numbers, let me know.
    Until then, everything else is just garbage post

    In mid-May 2020, gas prices sat at around $1.88 a gallon. By late January 2021, when Biden was sworn in, a gallon of gas had risen to about $2.39 a gallon, an increase of about 50 cents.
    From Biden’s inauguration his attack on fossil fuels began and the price of gas continued to rise: It reached $3.39 in early November, or an increase of about another dollar.
    By June of 2021 gas prices had reach $3.89 a gallon
    By the time Russia invaded in February of 2022 gas was $4.32
     
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    Trump: Radical Left Is Against 'Guns, God, and Oil'
    Naw! That's not true. But he has to say something, because what they're really against is ... HIM; Left, Radical Left, and MOST other thinking patriotic AmeriCANs.
     

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