Trump rants about ‘Marxist’ Black Lives Matter group on Fox News: ‘If I’m wrong I’m going to lose’

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  1. Shonyman32

    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

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    The link literally proves everything you said wrong.

    1 person said something 5 years ago.....

    So trump saying grab her by the ***** doent count? Yeah I though so Mr. Double standard.
     
  2. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    No comparison (or "equivalency") whatsoever.

    An Epic Failure of Whataboutism.
     
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    Just in case folks were looking for the full context of what Trump said.

    “When I see them kneeling, I just turn off the game,” he told the Fox & Friends crew when asked about NBA players protesting the National Anthem. “We need to stand up for our flag, We need to stand up for our country and stand up for our anthem, and a lot of people agree with me.”

    “Hey, if I’m wrong, I will lose an election, and that’s OK with me,” he continued. “I will always stand for our country and flag. That’s what we are all about."
     
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    Exactly.

    1) He is Wrong

    2) He will LOSE
     
  5. TCassa89

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    In green are accurate descriptions, in red are inaccurate ones

    Patrisse Cullors did describe her and Alicia Garza as trained Marxists, but at no point did either of them say they created BLM as a tool under that ideology, or describe the organization itself as a Marxist organisation. Of course if you still believe that is true, you can always provide the video and/or written statement of them expressing that, and I will admit that I am wrong

    In regards to the mission of BLM, the self described mission on their website stays

    "BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives"

    The quote that you presented in relation to the nuclear family structure was actually in relation to the nuclear family structure as a requirement. For the record, the nuclear family structure is "a family group consisting of two parents and their children (one or more). It is in contrast to a single-parent family, the larger extended family, or a family with more than two parents"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family


    The statement from BLM says that they are an organization that acts as an extended family, thus disrupting the requirement of the nuclear family structure. To quote the page directly

    "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable"

    You left out the most important detail in the quote itself, and that is the the description of the nuclear family structure as a requirement

    In regards to rioting and arson, I cannot find any statements from their leadership, or anything presented on their website encouraging such tactics, but if you could refer me to such tactics being used by the organization's leaders then that would certainly change my point of view
     
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    There’s only one problem.... she was asked a question about what should BLM say to those who say they don’t have an ideological direction. Her answer? They were trained Marxist’s....

    So yeah, I’d have to say that the founders(at least two of the three) themselves view BLM’s ideology as Marxist, so the organization is Marxist.
     
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    Great, she's by now gotten an advanced degree in Marxist madness.
     
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    If you don't like Jim Crow laws and slavery, just forget about them

    Personally, I couldn't care less what Trump said about convicted rapists decades ago.

    Jim Crow laws, slavery and 5 rapists from decades ago mean nothing to me and doesn't affect my life in the least.

    I you have a problem with something that no longer exists in this country, that is your prerogative.

    In any event, I don't see blm staging a revolution because they already admit to being easily oppressed by people they refer to as superior. They'd be wiped out in a minute.

    Slavery ended many generations ago, big whoop. :salute:

    And now the left has grabbed onto everything is racist to blur and hide Biden's racism.

    Get it?

    Why is it that a Marxist who hates white people gets a pass because of when her comment was made, but the left frequently brings up Trayvon Martin, Jim Crow laws, slavery, and when all else fails, the Crusades?
     
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    You disagree so it's wrong lol
     
  10. Andrew Jackson

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    Not Bad.:salute:

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thanks for the props.:handshake:

    At the end of the day, anybody who has a problem with BLM is free to either ignore them or advocate against their policies.

    In terms of the effect that the "BLM Movement" actually has on day-to-day life in America, I would say that it would be very minuscule (if not infinitesimal).

    However, I fully support the right of free expression for anyone who feels the need to advocate against BLM.
     
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    Do you just not want to know the truth?

    Look at the book Patrisse Cullors has coming out in September. The Forward for the book is written by Angela Davis.

    Do you know who Angela Davis is and her past? She is an ex-Communist terrorist, and is still currently a campus Marxist.

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    Look at Davis' criminal history:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis#Arrest_and_trial

    Only a Marxist would want a Marxist to write the forward to a book she authored.

    BLM is about anti-capitalist anarchy and power.

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    Thanks for your support! :)
     
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    Not bad? I always liked you AJ, you’re one of a kind.
     
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    Absolutely.

    I fully support the right of anyone to strongly advocate against BLM's policies.

    I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

    As long as said opinions can be expressed in a civil manner (without personal insults), I will defend anyone's right to express a contrary opinion (to my own).

    Isn't that how it is supposed to work?:flagus:
     
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    AJ, one of the reasons why I like you is because you don't take insulting jabs at people. That means a lot in my book. This Bud's for you.
     
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    Yes, that is how it is supposed to work, thanks.

    As far as BLM not having an effect on America, you know that Cullors is demanding that ICE, border patrol and the DEA be disbanded? More and more "Progressives" are joining the ranks of The Squad under the Democrat Party umbrella, demanding exactly the same thing. If you are okay with no border security, I'll will defend your right to that opinion, but will strongly suggest that a completely unsecured border is a very bad idea.
     
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    That's an interesting take, but she specifically said that her and Alicia Garza are Marxists, there's no reason for her to specifically refer to herself and Garza as Marxists other than only referring to just her and Garza as Marxists. If she were speaking on behalf of anyone other than herself and Garza, then she wouldn't have limited her statement to just them
     
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    A simple overview of Cultural Marxism in under 12 minutes...

     
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    Trump is right. and Trump is going to win!
     
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    The average American, including Trump, doesn't even know what Marxism (or Communism aka "commie" ) is. To them just buzz words said by whoever they support which they will then go on to support that statement
     
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    Yeah, they don't need to know that Antifa is a Communist group or that BLM is Marxist. All they have to do is look at the riots and destruction mostly associated with cities and states headed by elected Democrats.

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    It was the answer to what do you say to those who say BLM doesn’t have an ideology....
     
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    Marxists organizers gather vulnerable and/or easily manipuabe/exploitable people, they convicnce them that they are of 'low status' and that its a bad thing to be of 'low status', they brainwash them to believe the falsehood that all of their problems can be blamed on those of 'high status' thus instilling them with a sense of class-based anger and jealousy which can then be harnessed to raise the orchestrators of Marxism to the very 'high status' they claim to be the source of all strife - which then, in stunning display of irony in reverse, actually becomes true as Marxist rule inevitably leads to destruction.

    This is exactly what is occuring right now with BLM and it's organiziers designs on November's election. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, shits like a duck, and tastes like a duck, its a duck! I don't care if it wants to stand there and say 'nahhh uhhh nahh uhhh I never said I was a duck so I'm nottttt neener neener neener'. If you eat the pizza but leave the crust you've still eaten pizza, know what I'm saying? BLM is a Marxist group - they're also a racist domestic terrorist group as well but that's another conversation.

    As for the second item, it matters not that I left out the word "requirement" because the nature of the attack remains the same. If anything including "requirement" reinforces the point; that BLM views the nuclear family as a negative thing suggesting they don't need it. Aside from the endless amounts of evidence that show the delitirous effects of a lack of family structure - the point here is that attacking the nuclear family is yet another bedrock Marxist practice. To Marxists, the nuclear family represents a class structure that perpetuates capitalism, and they despise both of those things. So it comes as no surprise that BLM's self-proclaimed Marxist leadership would include this in their rhetoric and further demonstrates that, yes, BLM is a group founded by Marxists, for the purpose of spreading Marxism.

    But I give you a /thumbs-up for a well constructed argument.
     
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    You don't believe the leaders of BLM? Pretty strange for a leftie.
     

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