Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans

You are saying that Trump should have ignored the constitution and just made up and put into effect a law all by himself?

Done with very high taxation, long waiting lists, rationing, and little investment in new drugs, techniques, or equipment.

You mean the promises about a ban, which is currently in effect.

The wall, which is currently in the contracting stage.

Deporting illegals, which has been done in a targeted way by deporting criminal aliens.

I don't see it as any worse than forcing people to buy a product under the threat of force. Most of the people that will "lose" their insurance are people that don't want it anyways. At least not in its current overpriced form.

That was actually really easy. All it was was a list of common alt left talking points. Nothing original or particularly significant at all.

Then again, I wouldn't expect much from Natty. He is the one that made a thread laughing about a 2 year old being raped.

 

If everyone wins as you claim, then there is no competition. If the various "consortiums" are simply rearrangements of the same players, then there is no competition.

If there are multiple consortiums without huge overlap of team members, then the losers will lose for good. They will not survive to compete in 3-5 years. And then there is no competition.

Single payer is winner take all. By definitionThere is nothing left to sustain a non-single payer insurance market.

Your approach fails.

The government writes a 2,000 page SOW followed by 100,000 pages of regulations and guidelines in an attempt to define everything. Such "exquisite detail" there is no room for exceptions or innovation. Your single payer will cost a fortune in bureaucracy. And in all those pages, there will be all kinds of corruption. Look at obamacare, medicare, medicaid, VA. You are in fantasy land.

Total BS. Congressmen play games with all the big govt contracts. Why do you think the F-35 production is spread over some 1400 first tier subcontractors scattered in almost every state in the nation? Because every congressman wants to "bring home the bacon" to his district.

But your plan would be even worse because while the F-35 is just political money shifting, health care involves a huge degree of social engineering. Single payer is about power more than health care.

And your 24/7 monitoring will cost a fortune and require a massive bureaucracy.

Your plan is really just typical single payer, your modifications won't last past one cycle before they are dropped.

 

If Congress never appropriated the money were has the money for the subsidies been coming from, thin air?

 

President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Monday the Affordable Care Act no longer exists, a statement that follows a long list of actions his administration has taken to undermine the law.

“Obamacare is finished. It’s dead. It’s gone. You shouldn’t even mention it. It’s gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore,” Trump insisted during a meeting with his Cabinet at the White House.

Contrary to the president’s claims, Obamacare is still the law of the land. In most states, consumers can sign up for health insurance coverage for 2018 from Nov. 1 to Dec. 15.

That’s not to say that it will remain on solid footing. Trump’s administration inflicted two separate blows on the law last week, sowing further instability in the health insurance exchanges set up under Obamacare.

A President who only knows how to destroy..............Yet unable to fulfill his campaign promise of better, cheaper Healthcare for All

 

Trump only cares about himself. History will judge this idiot.

Hopefully he'll not do irreparable harm. Likely though we'll going to have a climactic event...

 

How come it wasn't ruled "unconstitutional" by SCOTUS? How come the Republicans didn't push to have it overturned based on its unconstitutionality? If it's so black and white, why didn't the system take care of it long before this?

 

It's bound by the Constitution and the law and that's not playing. Are you prepared for a government no longer bound by the Constitution?

 

I could bore us all with several paragraphs of refutations, but you've already got your mind made up. SO, what is your solution to the miserably f*cked-up healthcare situation?

Going back to how things were in, say, 1957? I would be the first to join you! But, remember, in our republic a person can live entirely on 'welfare-suck' and still be able to VOTE. And, once people realize that all they have to do is keep on voting for radical Democrats in order to get subsistence welfare, healthcare, subsidies, etc., for the rest of their lives, then it's all OVER. Gone. We'll have turned into what Orwell warned against in his masterpiece, "1984". Reality? There is no going back....

Or maybe you suggest that we just put everybody on an overextended, distorted version of Medicare? That we "blend" all those on welfare and 'subsidies' with people who EARNED their Medicare rights and their VA rights?! Great! At that point you have created a huge incentive for everybody has actually EARNED their way in life to just say, "F*ck it!", and start laying around on their asses, expecting government to give them everything for free, too...(?). And you have a worry about BUREAUCRACY?! . Yeah, as you assert, I must surely know very little about Federal Government contracts... I only worked with them (successfully, I might add...) for over thirty years. So, why don't you enlighten us with what you know, and what you recommend instead instead....

You've got the floor....

 

No, it was you just said that. Please try to distinguish.

I am saying that Trump promised that he would "immediately" repeal and replace "ObamaCare" with "something terrific!" that would cover "everybody!" at "less cost!," and, while you may not, I recognize his stated goal as a worthy one.

That all advanced nations have achieved universal coverage at far lower cost is an empirical certitude that upsets ideologues, but I share the confidence that most Americans feel in the U.S., that it can progress to do at least as well as those who provide the successful paradigm.

If you actually believe that stuff, do you regard Trump's stated goal as fake and another instance of his lying to the American public?

If you are as pleased as punch with your Trump's performance, that's fine. The latest polls indicate how many still share your opinion - Gallup: 36% approval/ 59% disapproval, and CNN: 37% approval / 57% disapproval.

 

It's being stolen from the American taxpayers, where do/did you think Government gets it's money? Doesn't matter where it's betaken from so much as it's not appropriated and should never been used in that manner. We simply can not allow misappropriation of our tax dollars to happen, if Washington does it correctly thru our representatives that's fine, but we have no Kings and Queens here or dictators..

 

Here is yet another instance of now ex-prez Messiah having broken the damn law! I want to know when somebody is going to bring charges against this man for breaking the law! He ruled us all, with his "pen and phone" for his entire second term in office, and nobody did anything about it. When does the Statute of Limitations run out?

 

So the trump admin will now follow every lower court ruling without appeal?

 

Isn't that what you and the left have been demanding on immigration?

 

I've never demanded they not appeal rulings. Nice strawman lol

 

You have demanded he follow the ruling, what's the difference here?

What court or legal expert has said these subsidies are constitutional and legal?

 

And you demanded he appeal, what's the difference here?

 

Its simple. Get the govt out of health insurance. Health insurance is not the real problem, insurers are just the middleman. Even now with the govt putting a cap on insurers profit and expenses (the medical cap ratio), costs have skyrocketed - because insurance isn't the problem. The problem is the actual cost of healthcare.

Let health insurance operate just as it used to and just as life insurance, property insurance, liability insurance, still operate. Health insurance is insurance, not a medical services provider or payment conduit.

Then get the govt out of health care. The govt should not provide medical services. Eliminate the VA and (since it was a promised benefit to the military) convert it to an insurance program for veterans only, let the vets go to their own doctors and hospitals. Let the vets take charge of their health care, not the incompetent VA. Do the same for medicare, but phase it out over time as current beneficiaries die out. Eliminate the FDA, its just a juggernaut of bureaucracy which stifles innovation and costs a fortune.

You have lived too long in the big bureaucracy of the federal govt, you are wearing blinders built from decades of working with your giant federal contracts. The govt is the problem, not the solution.

 

Senate looks to have made a deal to keep the subsidies

 

It's sad and tragic that Trump is taking active steps to undermine 0bamacare. He has been claiming that it would fail on its own if nothing was done, yet here he is trying to fulfill his own prophecy through direct action, and of course harm many Americans in the process, all so he can be "right" and not look like the fool that he is.

 

Have they? Has another looming Trump disaster been averted? Good thing the Senate is not grossly incompetent or mentally and emotionally unbalanced!

 

Why shouldn't he? Let people get their own damn insurance. It's not right that Americans have to pay for their coverage and then another person's as well.

 

You never know when it's you or someone you love who needs help.

 

Good thing the Senate is not AS grossly incompetent or AS mentally and emotionally unbalanced!

Fixed it lol

 

I understand better than you think, and I am generally sympathetic to what you're saying. But, in 2017, how in hell do we get government out of healthcare? Johnson saddled us with Medicaid in 1965 and it's just been a down-hill slide in coverage and an uphill skyrocket in premiums ever since, as I'm sure you know.

Reality: tens of millions of people have now grown accustomed to having Uncle Sugar pick up the bill for a large part or ALL of their medical expenses. HOW do we get government out of it now? I worked with the Federal Government long enough to know that where it sets up a bureaucracy, it rarely dismantles it....

Observe how Republicans could not even take the first logical, necessary step -- that of getting RID of Obamacare. Not even something so simple and intuitive as that could be accomplished because of RINO's and the other cowardly luke-warm, so-called "Conservatives" becoming scared sh*tless of the idea of all the welfare mob voting against them in the upcoming midterm elections. If you know a way we can "pull the rabbit out of the hat", tell us....

 

You continue to blame Trump for Congress not doing their job.


My Trump? Nah. I'm just not chicken little seeing the sky fall every time Trunp does something he promised to do.