Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    incorrect.
    They are the specifics mandated to be implemented by the bill. The bill itself is an empty framework. They regulations are powerless outside of obamacare
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please read the what I posted ;)
     
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    And?.......
     
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    your not responding to what I posted......good lord man.
     
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    Fake News Lies. For the low income the subsidies increase keeping their premiums down if these back door unconstitutional insurance company bailouts end. ​
     
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    I read and did, it doesn't matter if it was in the original Obamacare and in fact it was, it was however not funded by the Congress and Congress was expressing it did not want to and Obama did by an unconstitutional and illegal EO. Trump is sworn to uphold the Constitution and the law................ oh well.
     
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    Again your going on about NOTHING I was responding too, nor was talking about.....
     
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    No, and the openly post is false, this action will not raise actual premiums for the poor and working class in America. As Premiums from Insurance carriers rise, our subsidies to the policy holder increase leaving them equal or as CBO noted, with even slightly lower premiums. This is why you guys keep losing, you have this practice of mounting loud false arguments, failing to adapt to the fact that virtually the entire population has easy access to the internet and the lies are quickly revealed leaving your reputation in tatters. Keep this following fact in mind: You are Fooling No One!

    Obamacare hit an iceberg called 'the rule of law', that's what prompted Trumpian action.

    In fact, the iceberg was hit years ago, as Avik Roy reminded us:

    [T]he reason ObamaCare weighed in at 2,000 pages is because the law passed by Democrats detailed, in highly specific language, how Washington would run the health care system from here on out.

    While the HHS Secretary – in those days, Kathleen Sebelius – would have the authority to determine exactly how to implement Obamacare's rules, the Obama administration was (in theory) bound by the statutory law passed by Congress.

    Now, in reality, the Obama administration was highly selective in enforcing the ACA as written.

    Here are just some examples of ways in which Obama simply ignored the ACA and decided to do what he thought was best, regardless of the law:

    The Obama administration decided not to enforce the law's employer mandate until 2015, and then delayed its enforcement a second time.

    After millions of Americans complained that their insurance plans had been canceled – contrary to Obama's promise that "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan" – Obama declined to enforce aspects of the law that required those plans to shut down – until he was reelected.

    The Obama administration decided – unilaterally – to waive Obamacare's individual mandate, by granting a "hardship exemption" to anyone for whom Obamacare's offerings were "unaffordable."

    The ACA forced insurers to offer plans with reduced co-pays and deductibles for those with very low-incomes, but didn't appropriate the cost-sharing subsidies needed to pay for them.

    Facing a rebellion from insurers, who were being forced to cover these individuals at a loss, the Obama administration decided to spend the money anyway, even though they had no legal authority to do so.

    The list goes on and on and on.

    As Obamacare moved forward, two groups quickly formed: the subsidized and the others who couldn't afford the premiums!

    The subsidized got a free ride, and the others couldn't afford the ticket.

    We saw people who would praise the program because it got them the insurance they couldn't afford in the past.

    Many other people simply could not afford the premiums and found the deductibles way beyond their budgets.

    "What's the point of paying $6,000 in annual premiums so I get to a $ 15,000 deductible? I'd rather do nothing and pay the penalty."

    Obamacare did all this damage through a total disregard for the rule of law, from rewriting the law with executive orders and mandates plus paying money to the insurance industry without the approval of Congress.

    Obamacare has messed up our health care system and Obamacare is failing.

    It was a flawed law from day one, but the expectation was that as it collapsed, president Hillary Clinton would implement single-payer.

    Ooops!
     
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    It seems that since the Congress cannot remove the benefits of the ACA Trump will do so himself by whatever means he has at his disposal. Neither seem to care much about how this effects we the people as long as it destroys the back mans legacy.
     
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    Here's the regulations that go with the act.
     
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